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TV Meme: Day 19: Best TV Show Cast

This is a hard one, because frankly, I like the casts of all my shows. BSG has an awesome cast. West Wing has an awesome cast. Buffy has an awesome cast. Firefly had an awesome cast. LOST has an awesome cast. I really can't choose on this one.

Day 20: Favorite Kiss

Oh, I don't know! To be honest, I'm not crazy about watching people kiss. I'll give you three, because they actually say something about me, I suppose.

1.)

Once upon a time, I was a huge Roslin/Adama shipper. As in, it was my OTP for ALL MEDIA. Then season 4.5 happened, and Adama turned into someone I couldn't STAND. But before that came The Hub. And when she said "I love you" and he said "It's about time" and they kissed, I was bouncing on the couch. And you know what? I still love this picture. Because while my love for Adama crashed and burned, I still really do like Laura as a character. And after the mutiny, Laura rallied. That makes all the difference in the world. (Plus, as much as I love Tom, I never, ever expected Laura to.)

2.)

Charlie and Claire were my OTP of LOST. There was just something so sweet about them, and I love how Claire always saw through Charlie's bullshit. I even didn't mind when Charlie went all stalker-y, because the show acknowledged that he was doing something skeevy, and Claire was totally creeped out by it. And rather than doing nothing about it, she told Charlie to stay away from her and enlisted Locke's help. And yet, Charlie got true redemption before he died, and his death broke my heart. But Charlie and Claire were one of my favorite kisses. (I like the ones built up after a long time.)

Okay. Enough of the serious ones. My REAL favorite kisses? The not so serious ones :)

3.)

Joyce and Giles in Band Candy in Buffy. How can you NOT love that? It was hysterical. "Young" Giles and "Young" Joyce were a hoot, and so was Buffy's reaction to them.

4.)

I forget if they ever kissed, but I can't think of another one, and Miss Piggy attacking Mark Hamill dressed as Princess Leia is just too priceless.

Day 01 - A show that never should have been canceled
Day 02 - A show that you wish more people were watching
Day 03 - Your favorite new show (aired this TV season)
Day 04 - Your favorite show ever
Day 05 - A show you hate
Day 06 - Favorite episode of your favorite TV show
Day 07 - Least favorite episode of your favorite TV show
Day 08 - A show everyone should watch
Day 09 - Best scene ever
Day 10 - A show you thought you wouldn't like but ended up loving
Day 11 - A show that disappointed you
Day 12 - An episode you've watched more than 5 times
Day 13 - Favorite childhood show
Day 14 - Favorite male character
Day 15 - Favorite female character
Day 16 - Your guilty pleasure show
Day 17 - Favorite mini series
Day 18 - Favorite title sequence
Day 19 - Best TV show cast
Day 20 - Favorite kiss
Day 21 - Favorite ship
Day 22 - Favorite series finale
Day 23 - Most annoying character
Day 24 - Best quote
Day 25 - A show you plan on watching (old or new)
Day 26 - OMG WTF? Season finale
Day 27 - Best pilot episode
Day 28 - First TV show obsession
Day 29 - Current TV show obsession
Day 30 - Saddest character death

Running is going... okay. I've got what I am positive is a Morton's neuroma, and I want to have it actually looked at and work out ways that I can run without it getting worse. I've gotten some great advice from a doctor friend and it's really confirmed exactly what the problem is, but I'm thinking it's time for some face-to-face (or face-to-foot, as the case may be) time so I can make sure this sucker doesn't get any worse. I did get new shoes yesterday- I went in for padding and the guy selling me shoes pointed out how tight they were. I did feel a difference in my other foot running last night, but I can still feel the neuroma in my right foot. I know padding is the next step- an orthodic or insole or something.

I also finished the prologue at least for my big bang. Whoohoo! I have a start! I still need to get moving on a ton of fics, but now that Fireflies is out of the way, I can maybe write something a little easier. But I'm really excited about my big bang. I came up with a twist the other day that is pure evil. >:) And interestingly, Kara barged in with guns blazing, declaring that she gets a major role in this story. Which is funny, because I so rarely write her. But she's right, and besides, I'm not stupid enough to argue with an armed Kara Thrace.

My interesting problem with the story is I need to find people who actually support what Roslin is doing. Laura's had Adelle and Topher make three Actives: Gaeta, Narcho, and Racetrack. Gaeta was involuntary, Racetrack and Narcho volunteered, although Narcho tried to back out at the very last minute. And Zarek escaped. (This takes place post-Blood on the Scales)

The imprinting technology in Laura's hands is much more gray than it was in the Dollhouse. It's going to fast become apparent that the use of this technology is saving lives. And in some cases, lots of lives. The big blowout in Deadlocked might be averted because of the Actives, and there will be a few other things. Also, Laura is being very, very strict- absolutely no sexual engagements, no matter what. And once they find a planet and a home, Narcho and Racetrack are to be immediately released from their contract and have a blank slate. And even Gaeta will be released eventually. And I really want to keep this gray, because it's an interesting question. If lives can be saved, can the agency of three people be sacrificed?

So, here's what I've got.

Anti-Imprinting: Zarek, Starbuck (although she starts out for it)

Pro-Imprinting: Adama, Roslin, Athena, Lee (albeit reservedly), Tigh, Sam Anders

People who are still alive and I haven't decided: Baltar, Caprica Six, Helo, Galen, Tory, Ellen (when she comes back), Hoshi (once he even finds out), and I'm not even sure who's ALIVE at this point. Who else am I missing? Sonja, Playa... oooh. Playa could be big. Kelly.

I definitely want the anti-side to be smaller than the pro-side. I don't want to turn Laura into the bad guy for this. The very first thing that's going to happen is that they're going to imprint Gaeta with a brain surgeon personality, and he's going to be able to save Sam and between him and Topher, they will actually be able to restore Sam's memories of his former life and erase what Cavil did. So that's going to be a HUGE plus in Laura's favor. Plus there's something else big that Topher's going to do that's going to help.

Anyway, must sort this out.

Hee. It's the Sesame Street episode where Paul Rudd gets frustrated that the princesses keep rescuing themselves again. I'm getting sick of this one (I think Toby is, too), but I love the message for girls in this one.

Okay. I should write something while Sesame Street finishes. Hmmm....

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From:

rayruz.livejournal.com

Excuse me. I'm sort of hung up on this Joyce/Giles kiss because it's SO hot... but they're like my parents. I kinda feel like that about Adama/Roslin too... love the pairing but... okay I forget which one it was specifically but Kara and Lee averted their eyes like "Oh god, Mom and Dad are kissing... ew." But I have a thing for Ripper even though Giles is old enough to be my dad.

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nicole-anell.livejournal.com

So wait, do you want advice on where the other characters might lean? Because I have Thoughts!

From:

geekbynight.livejournal.com

I think maybe Helo would be for it at the start, probably because of some lingering anger/hurt at Gaeta for the mutiny but that he doesn't want him to die and this way at least Gaeta stays alive. Maybe after he interacts with the newly imprinted Gaeta(I mean, I'm assuming he would if you're still keeping Athena as his bodyguard of sorts) he changes his mind.

Interestingly I think a good deal of the rebel cylons would be against it. I think it might remind them of what humanity did with the centurions; taking away their individuality and their freedom to use them for their own proposes. Even if those proposes are good. Especially in Gaeta's case since he's involuntary. It's a dicey game Roslin seems to be playing with this. Depending on how wide spread the program would be I'm thinking it would be hard to keep any and all corruption out. Gaeta being involunaty from the start; what's to stop civilians from being kidnapped and having the same done to them?

I think Playa would probably be critical, if only because she never seemed all that happy with the Adama/Roslin system of government.

That's my two cents :)

Edited Date: 2010-06-04 02:24 pm (UTC)

From:

lls-mutant.livejournal.com

Yes please!!!!!! Thoughts are welcome and begged for! :)

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nicole-anell.livejournal.com

I think Helo could be talked into it at first? I mean, my only big reservation there was that he was vaguely friends with some of these people, but hey mutiny and some people volunteered so. He may start out for it and later turn against it, like Starbuck.

I see Tory as definitely on the pro side, especially if it results in getting Sam's memories back. (I mean, you probably know how S4 Tory-defensive I am, and even MY kneejerk reaction was "Why would she give a crap if a couple of people get brainwashed for the greater good?") Galen and Ellen could go either way... I lean more toward Ellen as anti, being someone who's conscious of having her brain messed with before. But idk.

And I... don't feel like I can objectively comment on Baltar, but for what it's worth I really can't see him being okay with that happening to Gaeta (even if presented as an alternative to killing him), and the creepy overreach-of-power aspect in general.

(Whereas Hoshi might be interesting because he's a bit more authority-driven and also, if he did find out, might be kind of okay with the prospect of Felix still getting to live and potentially released from his contract eventually.)

(P.S. Playa!!)

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geekbynight.livejournal.com

In regards to Playa and the Cylons:

I think what would worry people like Playa most is the vast amount of power this puts in Roslin's hands. And there is canon evidence of her being reluctant to give up power once she has it for sometime (i.e. the presidency). And now that she's involved with Adama, who is there to stop her if anything gets out of hand? Hmm, this really makes me think back to that "Playing God" speech Adama gave in the miniseries.

And I'm unfamiliar with Dollhouse but is there anyway for Actives to find out about what had been done to them? If so, what's to stop them, or disgruntled former Actives, from wanting to take revenge? To me for all it's benefits, this seems very much like them repeating what they'd done with the cylons. And with the flimsy judicial system, the fact that people could probably go missing in the Fleet and there's really no way for the average person to track them down, and the structure of government Adama and Roslin have created at this point there is a huge amount of potential for this to go very wrong.

I don't think Ellen would be okay with this either. Maybe the people who chose to have it done but if she were to find out that Felix wasn't given a choice based on how she was in "No Exit" I think that would be enough to flip her in the other direction.

Edited Date: 2010-06-04 03:11 pm (UTC)

From:

ivanolix.livejournal.com

Mark Hamill, hee! Was not expecting that one...

they will actually be able to restore Sam's memories of his former life and erase what Cavil did

Ahhhh, okay, I was wondering about why Sam was on the pro side for a second. He did not strike me as the kind of guy to mess with free will, but he's also got heart, so that fact makes a difference.

Baltar, I think, would be fiercely against it. And he'd think he holds that position only so he never has to fear about them doing it on him, just because no one likes him. But it would also be because of his relationship with head!Six, and how that has terrified him and made him feel out of control, and so it's an unconscious aversion to the very idea.

Caprica, I think, would be pissy about the idea of anybody promoting more programming, after what happened with the Cylons. Even if its reversible, even if it's the people who had her imprisoned. She probably had a lot of time to hear Boomer's awful stories of being a sleeper, so even if she didn't do/say anything, I think in her heart she wouldn't be comfortable with the idea.

Helo, as the moral-to-the-extreme guy, I think would be against at first, but could be convinced if they made a really good effort at explaining how lives could be saved. Especially Sam's, given as they seemed to have a decent acquaintance.

Galen, Tory, Ellen, I think they'd all be easily on the greater good side. They've all shown that they can do "wrong" things for that.

From:

aome.livejournal.com

What the heck is Morton's neuroma? Hope you can get it treated soon, whatever it is.

Did Josh and Donna ever kiss onscreen? I'm thinking they did, in which case, I'm with you - built-up UST kisses are the best. (Also loved Lorelei and Luke on Gilmore Girls for this reason.)

The Mark Hamill/Miss Piggy one is hilarious, however. :D

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hobbit-kate.livejournal.com

Roslin kisses Baltar in the dream sequence in Collaborators. Mary McDonnell can barely even keep a straight face as she leans in. And even Baltar, in all his egotistical glory and carnal desires, knows this isn't real. It's hysterical.

That whole scene is great! With Adama going 'you wouldn't like her when she's angry' LOL
Have you seen that deleted scene (or blooper-thingy) where she basically jumps him? That one was almost even funnier than the actual version.

I'm not stupid enough to argue with an armed Kara Thrace.
I hear ya! :p

So your DH/BSG crossover is going to be in the BSG verse? 'Cause that's a take on it i haven't seen before. Most of the time it's random BSG characters implanted in the dollhouse-verse. So that sounds really interesting! Can't wait 'till it's finished! (but that kinda goes for all the Big Bang stories - i have a weakness for long fics...:))

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lls-mutant.livejournal.com

Thanks!

I'm glad you were thinking Helo might be talked into it at first. My basic idea is that he's intended to be Zarek's handler before Zarek escapes, and the rationale that Roslin gives him is that he's the fleet's moral conscience. Helo would allow something like Zarek being imprinted to conduct life-saving surgery on a child or super-specific save the ship type of construction, but he wouldn't allow something too trivial. (And to be fair to Laura, a lot of what she's going to be having them do is along those lines. Laura does like her power, but she's not a demon queen.)

Tory definitely makes sense (and that's kind of where I was leaning), and Ellen being anti is interesting, especially since she's not there from the beginning. (I'm not sure exactly where this fic ends, so...)

(Whereas Hoshi might be interesting because he's a bit more authority-driven and also, if he did find out, might be kind of okay with the prospect of Felix still getting to live and potentially released from his contract eventually.)

I hate, hate, HATE to say it, but this is exactly the scenario I was envisioning. I even debated making Hoshi Gaeta's handler, because again, the brass would feel like he'd say "no, this is too much" if they overstepped the line. But there's no way that they'd do that, because Hoshi's line and Laura's line are going to be different, and if this isn't voluntary for Felix (and I can't see where it would be- I think Felix was fine with dying at that point, but if you think he'd agree to it, let me know), Louis isn't going to be game for it. If Felix makes the choice, Louis would be okay, but if he doesn't... and if he doesn't, I lose a lot of my story :) I'm thinking that Hoshi passively accepts it, although I admit I have this awesome vision in my head of Starbuck, Zarek, and Hoshi with guns :)

And I think Playa might actually get a role in this. Hee! But the question is, how to silence/discredit her.... Hmmmmm....

Thanks!

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lls-mutant.livejournal.com

The blooper is awesome. None of them could keep a straight face. I'm sure Mary likes James just fine, but everyone knew these were like, the last two characters that should be kissing. It would even be more bizarre than Zarek and Adama or a flat-out enemy pairing, because despite the fact that Baltar and Roslin didn't get along, he totally would have done her :)

And yup! What I'm doing for my DH/BSG crossover is taking Adelle, Topher, Victor and Sierra and the chair and putting them in the fleet. Basically, they have a similar set up, and they were taking the technology to Virgon (I think) when the Cylons attacked. Laura knows about it and hasn't destroyed it, and when Bill expresses reluctance for killing Gaeta and Zarek based solely on the number of people left, Laura suggests that they make them Actives. (And then offers a deal to some of the mutineers.) Gaeta gets wiped but Zarek escapes, and the story goes from there.

What gets interesting in the BSG universe is this power in Laura's hands. Like Tom once said, Laura's not a tyrant just for the sake of power- she genuinely cares about the fleet. So there are no sexual engagements, no frivolous little things, nothing for anyone's entertainment. But when you only have less than 40,000 people left, you're missing a LOT of skills that could be very useful. So in Laura's hands and that world, the technology becomes much grayer. Plus, I'm going to use the technology to do something indisputably good, and something pretty indisputably bad. There are some serious extremes here, and it should be fun.

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lls-mutant.livejournal.com

Morton's neuroma is kind of like a pinched or fused nerve, although it almost sounds like a benign tumor as well. It makes the ball of your foot burn. Fortunately, there are a lot of easier treatments than surgery, starting with icing, anti-inflammatories, padding, and if it gets too bad, injections, so I figure let's start treating it right now before it gets too bad!

Josh and Donna did kiss onscreen! I debated putting CJ and Danny on there, because they're my WW OTP (although I like Josh/Donna all right), but yeah. There was no way they could NOT kiss on screen :)

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lls-mutant.livejournal.com

Yeah- Sam's pretty grateful at the moment ;) And too, when I say "pro side", I don't mean that most of them are going "whoohoo! yeah! Imprinting!!!" but more "look, I know it sucks, but look at how many people it's saving." Which I think you make an excellent point about with the Final Five.

I LOVE your point about Baltar worrying it would happen to him, and given that he has been psychologically tortured, this now cements it in my mind that you are completely right.

I'm also wondering just how many people will know that this is happening, although several people are going to see Gaeta being all brain-surgeony, so a lot of the main characters will know that this is up.

I've kind of got Helo being strong-armed into it as Zarek's original handler, with Roslin saying "well, you'll protect him from me" type of logic.

Thanks so much!!!!

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lls-mutant.livejournal.com

That's a really great point about Playa. The more I think about this, the bigger role Playa has, too, especially when Tom's looking for refuge.

And now that she's involved with Adama, who is there to stop her if anything gets out of hand?

I know it's in a different paragraph, but this is actually exactly how they talk Helo into it. "You can see where this could be good. And you're the moral compass, so you'll be there to stop us if we go to far."

As far as the Actives finding out what's been done to them... not really. On the series, Echo was figuring out, but she was a Special Snowflake (which was actually fine, given that she was the series' lead). But Gaeta, Narcho, and Racetrack aren't special snowflakes. There will be few triggers for each of them where we see their real personalities flash through for a second, but for the most part, it doesn't happen. Especially in the time span that this takes place in.

As for former Actives, there aren't going to be any, so that makes that easy. There are two other Actives in the Fleet (two characters from Dollhouse) that serve in supporting roles, but we see them constantly in the same personality at this point. In the show, some Actives stayed in the same imprint for years at a time, whereas others just had a night or two per print. Once the current imprint is wiped, the Active retreats to a very vulnerable, childlike slate where they have no personality and almost just exist. (It's really pretty creepy.) But (aside from Echo, who isn't in this fic), the Actives don't remember things from one imprint to another. And when they're finally released and have their own personality restored, they don't remember a thing from the time they were an Active.

(It's really very, very interesting when you get right down to it. The moral issues that can come with this technology are fascinating. And the Prologue to the fic basically is a 4 page Dollhouse Primer, which explains the tech to people who haven't watched Dollhouse.)

Thanks for thinky thoughts!

From:

daybreak777.livejournal.com

This sounds like a really cool crossover! And I like the way you are casting it out too and trying to figure out what side everyone is on.

I really liked your last Big Bang so this should be fun!

From:

lorrainemarker.livejournal.com

I think that Helo could be talked into it via being a handler with the 'you'll be our conscience' argument. However, I think he'll go off on it once he realizes how throughly the process destroys the original personality. Yes they can eventually get programed with their original personality, but there's no learning experience that comes out of it. They get back the same bitter angry Gaeta whose last memory is being strapped to the chair unwilling at the end, assuming that you he doesn't die. At some point Helo's going to figure that out and hate what he's done.

Actually, I think the voice of the opposition party within Galactica during the initial debates should be Athena. However, much she changed afterwards she was initially part of the genocide and her defining moment was when in an exercise of freewill she broke with her 'programing' to become an individual. So, she has a philosophical ax to grind on the issue of freewill. Also, she has all of Boomer's memories up until right before the attacks, which I suspect will give her some empathy for the understanding of what it means to have your original personality buried and act without freewill. Finally, she was raped (they made it clear in the deleted scenes on the disks that the rape occurred) and she will have a lot of sensitivity to the fact that they are removing control over someone's body from them. Even without the sexual engagements the entire overwriting of personality to create the dependent inactive state so that new programming can be written is very akin to rape.

I suspect that all the Cylons will be anti-imprinting due to the freewill/programming issues. Bluntly, I can see a segment of the humans in the fleet arguing that all the Cylons should be imprinted. After all, they committed genocide, the alliance took place at gunpoint, and there's a large contingent who planned to jump away with Gaeta when the mutiny ended. That could actually be enough to push a few of them to the Zarek camp (now wouldn't that be completely odd bedfellows).

I do think it's a totally cool crossover, I watched season 1 of Dollhouse, but not season 2 and can see the tech being used quite differently by Roslin than by the dollhouse crew.

From:

nicole-anell.livejournal.com

Baltar, I think, would be fiercely against it. And he'd think he holds that position only so he never has to fear about them doing it on him, just because no one likes him.'
Oh my god, that part didn't occur to me, but it's so true. :D He's been on the receiving end of enough Adama/Roslin abuse, plus already having some... uh, mental issues, that you have to imagine it would freak him the hell out.

I was having trouble thinking of any reason Caprica would strongly oppose it, honestly. It did completely slip my mind that she was close to Boomer once (I BLAME THE SHOW POST-"DOWNLOADED"), so that's definitely something! I guess it would come down to whether she's even aware of it going on. And even if she was and it seemed distasteful to her, I'm not sure it's something she'd actively go against the fleet and fight for, you know? Especially since it mostly involves people who just tried to kill her. Not saying she'd be super vengeful and serves-them-right over it, but I think it would take a lot for her to go to bat for them.

Edited Date: 2010-06-05 12:15 am (UTC)

From:

nicole-anell.livejournal.com

Hee, we think alike with Helo and Hoshi, obviously. :) I think your Helo scenario would work.

if this isn't voluntary for Felix (and I can't see where it would be- I think Felix was fine with dying at that point, but if you think he'd agree to it, let me know)
No worries, I completely agree with it being involuntary for Felix. (Fic not lost! Heh.) He was definitely okay with just being executed at that point.

I think mostly if Hoshi didn't *know* it was completely against his will he could accept it. That said, "Starbuck, Zarek, and Hoshi with guns" sounds like quite an awesome and doable concept too! XD

From:

ivanolix.livejournal.com

Yeah, that's why I said I didn't think she'd do/say anything about it. It would just be a discomfort in her mind. (Much as I would like her and Baltar to agree on something just so they might end up in the same meetings or something...*sigh*)

From:

lls-mutant.livejournal.com

::phew:: I definitely can't see Zarek EVER agreeing to it, but Gaeta gets into those martyr phases where death's too easy for him, and....

Yeah, I'm thinking that Hoshi doesn't know that this is involuntary. For one, it's not like Roslin and Adama are broadcasting this. They're keeping it very, very much on the down-low. And for two, Roslin's offering a deal to the other mutineers- you accept this, and when we find a planet, you're free with a clean slate and full citizenship and some help for getting started. Hoshi might actually hear about that deal, and just assumed that Felix got it, too.

I just want the art for Starbuck, Zarek, and Hoshi with guns :)

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lls-mutant.livejournal.com

Yeah. To be honest, I'm not sure Caprica is going to play a big role in this. This isn't going to be Fleet-wide- not everyone's going to know exactly what's going on. And I also don't think this is a major AU for season 4.5. There will be some spots where it patches over, but the big events don't change too much because they really aren't related. So Caprica might vaguely know it's happening, and then have her hands full with her own problems that the show gave her.

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lls-mutant.livejournal.com

Hmmm. That's a really, really interesting point about Athena. Good enough that I might change how things play out a little (and it didn't really matter that much anyway). Originally Athena was supposed to be Gaeta's handler and Helo was supposed to be Zarek's before Zarek escaped, and now I think I need to switch that and make Helo Gaeta's handler and Athena Zarek's, and Athena helps Zarek escape.

The hardest thing about using the Agathons is I don't like messing with the Agathons. They are so often united, and to have them divided... although Athena would eventually talk Helo over to her point of view, and that would help.

Hmmmmm.... Thank you very much!

From:

nicole-anell.livejournal.com

Yeah, I know you're not a big fan of Caprica-Six in general so I don't see any reason she'd have to be a big player in this either. :) It's nothing that really affects her storyline at all.

From:

lls-mutant.livejournal.com

It's actually more the second point than the first. I'm not her biggest fan, but she is an important character, and I can write her if I need to (she showed up a fair amount in my story last year, where she got to be a Marine and kick ass.) But yeah- I just don't see a big reason for her to get involved. (And for all that the rebel Cylons are around, to be honest, I don't think any of them will really know what's going on. They've got very little reason to care enough to find out, as does your average person on Galactica, especially since Racetrack and Narcho are doing a lot of their stuff on other ships.)

From:

nicole-anell.livejournal.com

I am getting more and more excited about this fic. *g*

From:

lorrainemarker.livejournal.com

Oh, I like that as a plot point. I agree that the Agathons didn't disagree often, but I think you could use it as a character development point with Helo talking Athena into, her balking and helping Zarek escape, and then eventually Helo coming to her way of thinking. Most married couples have at least a couple of major blowouts at some point, I can see this being one that they have and come back from as a stronger couple.

Edited Date: 2010-06-05 01:19 am (UTC)

From:

kappamaki33.livejournal.com

Yep, I could pretty much just copy & paste your Adama/Roslin kiss answer into my meme. ::glowers at Adama for sliding into a morass of drunken guilt just after he got his act together with Laura--she deserved better::

Ooh, the big bang sounds like it's shaping up!

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safenthecity.livejournal.com

Those are all excellent kisses. Especially the one you stole from me. ;)

It's so fun to hear your big bang is coming along! Gaeta saving Sam is too good. (Wow, I typed Topher the first time. Oh, brain, so unconnected.)

I think Hoshi would be awesome torn, just because it keeps Felix alive, and yet it was against Felix's will.

It's interesting that Starbuck is against it, since it saves Sam's life. But I think it would be really interesting to see Kara react to the idea that Gaeta is performing brain surgery on her husband, seeing as he's the reason Sam was shot in the first place. But there are all sorts of good reasons that would send Starbuck against it- the mind-fuck Leoben did to her, the fact that her own memories have been played with... Yeah, there's definitely a good argument to be made for her not wanting this.

From:

hobbit-kate.livejournal.com

despite the fact that Baltar and Roslin didn't get along, he totally would have done her :)

I think that's on a blooper, too :p Head!six calling Baltar on the fact that he's checking out Roslin, and then he just looks at her again and goes "hmmm...".

Bill Adama opposed to killing Zarek? But he hates Zarek (if you're not going with the Caprica explanation for that, there's the holding his son hostage, trying to kill Laura on Colonial Day and the whole flirting with Laura whenever he can thing). And he was pretty pissed at Gaeta, too, during the mutiny (it's his Galactica he was stealing)... I don't know if I could buy that... Unless you have him be more reluctant about the other mutineers who just went along with it, like that one that took him to the brig but was all respectful (if i remember that right, it's been a while)?

I really like the idea though... I agree that Zarek would never in a million years agree to be any sort of slave. I can see Gaeta going along with it, though, if they explain it right.

From:

hobbit-kate.livejournal.com

Ooh, I like that idea, Athena helping Zarek escape.

Kind of makes up for killing his ~~bitch~~ bff Meier on Kobol :p

The minus is, of course, Athena's devotion to her uniform. But that just makes for a nice internal struggle :p

From:

lls-mutant.livejournal.com

I might have to tweak that a bit. (I haven't written it.) My basic idea is when you've got less than 40,000 people left in the universe, killing people isn't the best idea. He might express enough reservation that Roslin would suggest the imprinting, and like you say, Zarek would never be a slave. And Bill would kind of enjoy that. It's not nice, but it's true.

I just wanted to see Bill care that he had to kill Gaeta. ::sigh:: According to RDM he did and it cost him some sleep, but not that we ever saw that. ::grumble::

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Starbuck starts out not fond of it (no one's fond of it), but getting it. Then something else happens that makes Starbuck very, very, very against it. :) I just haven't mentioned what it is here, because it's a twist I'm really, really proud of :)

Thanks for the input!

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Stupid Adama. Roslin DID deserve better. (Tom fully agrees, and points out he had HIS shit together. Laura threatens him with the airlock.)

And we're getting there! I'm excited.

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I had no idea you were such a huge Adama/Roslin shipper! They were never my OTP, but I was rather fond of them in seasons 1-3 and in 4.0, I started to download icons. *g* DAMN YOU 4.5! (Though oddly enough , I started having ISsues with Bill in season three, but I noticed that I liked him best when he was interacting with Laura. Which made me ship them more in a slightly twisted way. Put them together so I can stand Adama, show!)

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My first thought was about how Athena would react also. Because she's not going to be too fond of the mutineers, and she's pretty hardcore/unsympathetic to 'traitors' in general. But she maybe more than anyone has reason to be skeptical of the idea of programming individuals and screwing with their memories.

Lee would reluctantly go along with it for the Greater Good, and then give a speech about how wrong it all was. ;)