A fun game.

[lls_mutant]

1.) Mention Cuaron in reference to R/S on the net, in a post. In any way, shape, or form, even with a disclaimer that you don't think anything he does is canon.

2.) See how long it takes someone to tell you Cuaron is just an overpaid fan artist and knows absolutely nothing.

Can anyone beat 26 minutes?

Comments

[ignipes.livejournal.com]

That's a pretty good record. Where was it? On FAP?

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yeah. In the MWPP forum, under the revived Remus/Sirius thread.

The funny thing was, I presented counter arguments to all my arguments, and SAID that just because Cuaron said it doesn't make it so. Go figure. ::sigh::

[ignipes.livejournal.com]

I'm still not brave enough to venture into the post-HBP FAP world. (Although, to be honest, I'd kind of given up pre-HBP.) I salute your strength and fortitude. ;)

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Honestly? It's been a LOT better than I expected. Sure, you have the odd bad apple throwing temper tantrums, but overall, people have been pretty well-behaved.

Of course, please note that I avoid anything to do with Trio-shipping like the plague, and always have ;)

The only thing I've noticed is that if you dare to criticize anything about hBP (like you say the Tonks/Remus ship was written badly and here's why), some people automatically say you're bashing JKR just because the ships didn't turn out the way you want them. Never mind that you might love the rest of the book. You are not properly worshipping at the font of JKR.

But again, that seems to be a minority. Most of the behavior's been pretty good, as far as I can tell!

[midnitemaraud-r.livejournal.com]

*hee hee* I just saw that - on the "Remus and Sirius - more than friends?" thread which I still get notification for. (And I'm glad that "Remus and Sirius were never even friends" person hasn't come back - he was rather obnoxious!)

And while I don't think the movies are canon in any way, shape or form, you made excellent points about his discussions with JKR, and I completely agree with you. :)

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Thanks. I don't remotely think the movies are canon either ::hugs Ron to her and reassures him about character assassination::, but that wasn't even close to my point. ::sighs:: Ah well. Glad that the point DID come through! :)

The irony is I get frustrated too, when people say it MUST be canon because it made it to the movies, and JKR would have removed it if she thought it wasn't. Given how little Lupin will be in the next three movies, and given that Cuaron never made Lupin say "hi Harry, I'm gay" or something, I can see where JKR might have just thought "eh, it makes him happy, and it's not a point I mind seeing!" (Especially that resignation scene.) Cuaron's interpretation will color the character of Lupin for a bit, but it will be so long before we see Lupin again (he could easily be cut from HBP if the movie makers desired, I'm sad to say), it probably didn't matter much what Cuaron thought.

Ah well. At least whiny!Ron doesn't become canon, thanks to movies! :)

[midnitemaraud-r.livejournal.com]

My biggest complaint about the movies isn't the things that get cut (though I was a little more than miffed that there was no explanation of MWPP from Lupin in PoA) - it's the fact that Hermione is elevated to Miss Perfect and gets all of Ron's best book lines, and Ron is relegated to comic relief. So yes - I absolutely sympathize. And I adore Rupert Grint as Ron, too. I remember watching the first movie again after I read the book and thinking that they did a fabulous job with casting (except that damn it - Daniel should be wearing green contacts!!)

And while JKR does not have omnipotent say in what goes in to the movies, she does have a say in what she doesn't want (like the graveyard), and she absolutely could have stepped in and put her foot down regarding Cuaron (and Kloves'!) interpretations.

The thing I've noticed the most in fandom is the abject lack of objectivity in the majority of the fans. Not all, obviously, but far too many are so caught up in their own perspectives. I wish I'd saved the link - I found it via friendsfriends last week and i can't remember who it was, but someone ranted how it was Dumbledore's fault that 11 year old Tom Riddle didn't get the psychological help he needed and therefore Dumbledore's fault that Voldemort exists in the first place. I was dumbfounded. Literally. I didn't comment because I didn't trust myself not to rant.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yes, little Miss-Perfect Hermione is a very good reason to believe that the movies aren't canon, too. I think Rupert Grint does a VERY good job with what they give him- I just don't like what the poor guy is given all the time!

I didn't see that post, but I've seen some like it, and I agree... wow. There's a lot of them that scare me- Weasley bashing, for example. I don't think the Weasleys are meant to be perfect, but I don't think they're meant to be evil incarnate, either.

I do agree about the lack of objectivity. I think most fans suffer from it, although certainly to different degrees. But yeah, I wonder if I'd focus on such small details as Tonks/Lupin (because it really was a small detail) if they hadn't been two characters that interested me so much, and that I argued about in fandom, and yes, if I didn't want the ship to happen. (I'd like to think I still would, because I really think some of my complaints are what I'd think either way, but still. Who knows?) But yeah- some scary, scary perspectives!

[midnitemaraud-r.livejournal.com]

Oh yes - we're all a bit biased by our own perceptions, experiences, etc. And there's nothing wrong with that. And we're also interested and drawn to different things. I think that if I were a teenager I'd be more drawn to the trio and their generation than to the MWPP era and characters.

The Weasley bashing rather astounds me as well. Of course they're not perfect - if they were, we'd all be yelling "Mary Sues!" at her. I'm not a Molly or a Percy fan at all - I do think Molly means well - I just don't approve of all of her methods, if you know what I mean. And Percy - I think he's a selfish prat. But the Fred, George, Ginny, Ron and Arthur hate astounds me at times.

But it's also easy to sit back and analyze everything from a distant omniscient perspective and say "So and so should have done this, and X shouldn't have done that". It's quite different without the luxury of time and omnicient perspective. Hindsight is, after all, 20/20.

[jlarinda.livejournal.com]

I think that if I were a teenager I'd be more drawn to the trio and their generation than to the MWPP era and characters.
I'm a teenager and I'm not. And my friends are teenagers (well, most of them) and they're not. My little brother is 14, and he's more interested in the MWPP generation than in the trio.
:P
Hey, where did they say that thing about Cuaron, Lissa? I wanna see. ;_;

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Heh. I just think that would be the case in MY case :) After all, I do love Harry and co! And the Harry/Luna friendship is just really, really interesting. I love Harry for cultivating that friendship.

It's over on Fiction Alley Park. I was talking about how JKR might not even know that there's a large fanbase that ships R/S, because she sure seemed shocked that she found ONE person that ships R/T. But I pointed out that Cuaron obviously ships R/S, and that might be the way that JKR knows about it- if he mentioned it to her. And she told him "no" on certain things, like a graveyard and pixies dancing on piano keys. But the subtext of Remus being gay came through loud and clear. Then I said of course, it just might have been that JKR didn't mind Cuaron drawing the parallel as long as it wasn't explicit in the movie (which it wasn't), and basically said "hey, knock yourself out." After all, it's one of his pet issues, which pretty much everyone knows. But just the fact it IS a widely-known pet issue says maybe she just said "well, this guy who looks for that sort of stuff sees it" and didn't think a lot of other people would, as well.

And then someone came back with Cuaron is just an overpaid fan artist, nothing he did was canon, and leave him out of the discussion (which was is Sirius gay or not?) Thing is, I never SAID Cuaron was canon or god. I just said that he's talked to JKR about it, and I'd be very surprised if she didn't know HE shipped them. But ::sigh:: people are strange!