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lls_mutantTV Meme: Day 14: Favorite Male Character
This might actually shock you a little (well, maybe), and there's more than one picture, so
Yes, Toby Ziegler. (Of course, if you remember my oldest child's name, you're probably not all that shocked.)
The thing is, I love Felix Gaeta. He's a fantastic character even before fanfic gets their hands on him, and I adore the boy. But I can also pinpoint the very moment he became my BSG favorite, and it wasn't until Season 3. As soon as he pulled that gun on Baltar, he got a third dimension. Before that, he was a character, but what he did outweighed who he was.
Toby, on the other hand, was my #1 guy from the first episode of West Wing to the last. And when you put them together, really, you shouldn't be surprised that I love Felix. Sarcastic idealists who have strict moral codes and their own glorious ideas of how the world would run if everyone was as good a person as they are? I think there needs to be crossover fic, and I think that if Toby had been a member of the Quorum, they would have confirmed Tom Zarek (although he wouldn't have really liked doing it.)
And besides, Felix does NOT rant the way Toby rants. Toby's rants are things of beauty. As is the way he torments the younger (and older) staff members. I miss Toby and Mrs. Landinghim, I miss Toby's ball, I miss Toby's ideals and awkwardness and oh- his first turn at Press Secretary!!!!! I miss his wonderful, respectful friendship with CJ, his determination to do the right thing, and the way that he was one of the few guys that would tell the President exactly what he thought, no matter what the consequences. I miss how much he loved his kids, even if balancing work and home was impossible for him, and I missed his sadness and his heartbreak and him sitting in the back of the church at Leo's funeral. (SOB.) I miss his utter cluelessness on how to deal with people ("How'd you even get in a seat? You're like a minivan!" "Uh-uh, girls, back off! I saw him first!") and yet how he got people (20 Hours in America, anyone?). I miss Toby.
But just because, if I HAD said a BSG character, I would have been torn, because I had another favorite male character. 4.5 and the serious genderfail kind of tarnished it, but I liked Chief Tyrol from the moment he begged Tigh for just a few more seconds to get all his guys out, and then when he taught Cally, Sonicus, and Jammer to make booze, he became my favorite character right until we heard Gaeta cock that gun.
So...
Remix reveals tomorrow! I'm psyched. I have no real idea who wrote mine, because it's a Harry Potter remix. I'm not fluent in who all is out there in Harry Potter any more, and they chose a gen fic anyway.
I'm going to make two guesses:
1.)![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
midnitemaraud_r. This one makes some interesting sense. She posted that she pwned her remix right around the same time AO3 said the one written for me had been turned in. Of course, this was the day before the remixes were due, so that evidence can't possibly interpreted any other way, right? Right :) But the other thing that made me think maybe was that when she got her remix assignment, she said she was surprised or something. Given that I remixed her a few years ago, that would work.
2.)snorkackcatcher. All I got to go on here is that it's gen, and it seems like the kind of story he'd go for.
Real scientific, right? If anyone wants to take a guess at the two I wrote, the poll thingie is here.
And speaking of writing, two The Space Between Us Atlantis fics!!!! :)
Ten Rounds with Jose Cuervo, where Gaeta and the Tighs get drunk. I had fun with this one :)
Teach Your Children Well bykappamaki33, which is sweet and set much, much later and is Gaeta/Hoshi and not angsty :)
Also, interesting question. Toby was asking me about Memorial Day the other day, and of course we were talking about the armed forces. Toby asked me "are army guys good guys?"
I have lots of respect for people who choose the military and to defend our country, even if I don't always agree with what the military is sent to do. But I also have a problem whitewashing any one group of people and saying "yes, they're good guys" because:
1.) Not everyone in that group is "good", and
2.) In a four year old's mind, then there are "bad guys", and you can see where that goes.
How do you answer this question for a four year old? Just say "yes, the army guys are good guys?" or what? I mean, I can explain what I think, but he's FOUR and he just doesn't get it all.
Okay. I should either clean or write. Have a good Saturday!
This might actually shock you a little (well, maybe), and there's more than one picture, so
Yes, Toby Ziegler. (Of course, if you remember my oldest child's name, you're probably not all that shocked.)
The thing is, I love Felix Gaeta. He's a fantastic character even before fanfic gets their hands on him, and I adore the boy. But I can also pinpoint the very moment he became my BSG favorite, and it wasn't until Season 3. As soon as he pulled that gun on Baltar, he got a third dimension. Before that, he was a character, but what he did outweighed who he was.
Toby, on the other hand, was my #1 guy from the first episode of West Wing to the last. And when you put them together, really, you shouldn't be surprised that I love Felix. Sarcastic idealists who have strict moral codes and their own glorious ideas of how the world would run if everyone was as good a person as they are? I think there needs to be crossover fic, and I think that if Toby had been a member of the Quorum, they would have confirmed Tom Zarek (although he wouldn't have really liked doing it.)
And besides, Felix does NOT rant the way Toby rants. Toby's rants are things of beauty. As is the way he torments the younger (and older) staff members. I miss Toby and Mrs. Landinghim, I miss Toby's ball, I miss Toby's ideals and awkwardness and oh- his first turn at Press Secretary!!!!! I miss his wonderful, respectful friendship with CJ, his determination to do the right thing, and the way that he was one of the few guys that would tell the President exactly what he thought, no matter what the consequences. I miss how much he loved his kids, even if balancing work and home was impossible for him, and I missed his sadness and his heartbreak and him sitting in the back of the church at Leo's funeral. (SOB.) I miss his utter cluelessness on how to deal with people ("How'd you even get in a seat? You're like a minivan!" "Uh-uh, girls, back off! I saw him first!") and yet how he got people (20 Hours in America, anyone?). I miss Toby.
But just because, if I HAD said a BSG character, I would have been torn, because I had another favorite male character. 4.5 and the serious genderfail kind of tarnished it, but I liked Chief Tyrol from the moment he begged Tigh for just a few more seconds to get all his guys out, and then when he taught Cally, Sonicus, and Jammer to make booze, he became my favorite character right until we heard Gaeta cock that gun.
So...
Remix reveals tomorrow! I'm psyched. I have no real idea who wrote mine, because it's a Harry Potter remix. I'm not fluent in who all is out there in Harry Potter any more, and they chose a gen fic anyway.
I'm going to make two guesses:
1.)
midnitemaraud_r. This one makes some interesting sense. She posted that she pwned her remix right around the same time AO3 said the one written for me had been turned in. Of course, this was the day before the remixes were due, so that evidence can't possibly interpreted any other way, right? Right :) But the other thing that made me think maybe was that when she got her remix assignment, she said she was surprised or something. Given that I remixed her a few years ago, that would work.2.)
snorkackcatcher. All I got to go on here is that it's gen, and it seems like the kind of story he'd go for.Real scientific, right? If anyone wants to take a guess at the two I wrote, the poll thingie is here.
And speaking of writing, two The Space Between Us Atlantis fics!!!! :)
Ten Rounds with Jose Cuervo, where Gaeta and the Tighs get drunk. I had fun with this one :)
Teach Your Children Well by
kappamaki33, which is sweet and set much, much later and is Gaeta/Hoshi and not angsty :)Also, interesting question. Toby was asking me about Memorial Day the other day, and of course we were talking about the armed forces. Toby asked me "are army guys good guys?"
I have lots of respect for people who choose the military and to defend our country, even if I don't always agree with what the military is sent to do. But I also have a problem whitewashing any one group of people and saying "yes, they're good guys" because:
1.) Not everyone in that group is "good", and
2.) In a four year old's mind, then there are "bad guys", and you can see where that goes.
How do you answer this question for a four year old? Just say "yes, the army guys are good guys?" or what? I mean, I can explain what I think, but he's FOUR and he just doesn't get it all.
Okay. I should either clean or write. Have a good Saturday!
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Date: 2010-05-29 11:25 pm (UTC)That's a tough question to answer a four year old. I remember my parents used to explain things too complex for me and it would be a lot to think about, but I would definitely say explain it as well as you can. And he might get more than you think? You never know- when my step-sis was five, I was watching the pilot of Lost, and the first shot of Sawyer came on and she plopped down and asked, "Is he a bad guy?" I told her he's not exactly a bad-guy, but he sometimes does bad things, and she thought about it a minute and went into this rambly five-year-old explanation of that concept and I was astonished that she knew what I meant. Toby might not get it yet, but if you give him the best explanation you can, it might set him up to get it in the future?
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Date: 2010-06-01 12:55 am (UTC)That's the thing about kids. They know so much more than you think they know, and you never can tell what they'll latch on to. It's scary!
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Date: 2010-05-30 02:46 am (UTC)I love Chiefy, too. Until Cally died / he became a Cylon, he was always made of awesome. I definitely love the moments you mention.
I'm interested to hear what you end up telling Toby about the army...
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:05 am (UTC)Chief was so much more awesome until he became a Cylon. The more I think about it, the more Chief as a Cylon never worked for me. They just didn't DO anything with it, and it was too similar to Tigh. I really wish they'd gone with someone else. I could have handled Dee (ooh, now that could be an interesting fic- sub Chief out with DEE) or Felix or... I don't know. Anyone but Chief or Helo. It just didn't work as well as it could have.
And right now I'm avoiding the subject ;)
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Date: 2010-05-30 01:32 pm (UTC)Yes, me too on hearing how you answered that question.
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