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Question for the Dollhouse Fans-



After Paul goes brain dead, Topher revives him by imprinting himself back on to himself, giving him the Active architecture and essentially making him a Doll with his own personality. Does Paul have a handler here?

Also, once the Dolls are released from their five year contract, and their personalities are restored. However, they still have the active architecture. If their handler came up to them and said, "Madeline, would you like a treatment?", would the former doll still be vulnerable?

Thanks!

Date: 2010-08-03 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebelliousrose.livejournal.com
No handler for Paul, and the assumption is that Madeline would possibly still be vulnerable, since she was never actually released, just imprinted with "Madeline" as the doll personality.

Date: 2010-08-05 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lls-mutant.livejournal.com
Thanks. I thought he didn't have a handler, and figured I didn't really need one for what I'm doing right now, but I wanted to make sure.

Date: 2010-08-03 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] safenthecity.livejournal.com
Hmm, good question.

I got the impression that Paul did not have a handler, because he was imprinted with himself. He was never shown to have a handler. I think it was probably the last thing on their minds as the end game approacheth.

As for the other question... I'm not sure. They definitely said that the Doll architecture is still in place. I guess the question is, once they are let go, is there still something in them that thinks of their handler as their handler? Because if that got deprogrammed I'd say they're safe- that "would you like a treatment" stuff didn't work with any random stranger, did it?

I guess it depends on what the higher ups ordered the programmer to do. I could just see those in charge leaving their former actives vulnerable on purpose.

Date: 2010-08-03 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobbit-kate.livejournal.com
I don't think Paul had a handler, either. They're just there to get the dolls who don't know they're dolls to their treatments. Paul knew he was a doll. And he didn't need a treatment, 'cause he was going to stay on the 'Paul Ballard'-imprint anyway.

"would you like a treatment" stuff didn't work with any random stranger

Indeed. Plus, the other Dollhouse (in season 2) uses different phrases (like for senator Perrin).

I guess it depends on what the higher ups ordered the programmer to do. I could just see those in charge leaving their former actives vulnerable on purpose.

I agree completely. All depends on the programming.

Date: 2010-08-05 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lls-mutant.livejournal.com
Cool. This one Active/imprint I don't want to have a handler because the point is very different.

Yeah, that's what I figured, that the Doll architecture is still there, since I'm not going to the point where they found the way to get rid of it. And for what I'm thinking, it would be the handler that the doll is vulnerable to.

Thanks!

Date: 2010-08-03 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] korenap.livejournal.com
I say whatever works best for the story. I can imagine the architecture leaving a connection to a handler or creating an automatic connection to who ever you first looked at and touched when you woke from imprinting. I think they would want some type of safety protocol for all former dolls since they were a secret organization.

Didn't notice a handler for Ballard. It's possible one isn't needed if you're not switching imprints, though again, I wonder if he felt differently about the first person he touched.

Date: 2010-08-05 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lls-mutant.livejournal.com
Thanks! I actually want it to be a bit ambiguous, so I'll have to see :)

Date: 2010-08-05 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prophetkristy.livejournal.com
I don't recall seeing a handler for Paul, though that may have been story-driven....

I can't imagine that TPTB *wouldn't* leave the dolls still vulnerable to suggestion once their terms expired.

Date: 2010-08-05 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lls-mutant.livejournal.com
Thanks!

I didn't remember one either, and the Active I just made works better without one, so cool :)

And yeah, it seems to make sense that they would still be vulnerable to it in the Dollhouse world, and I think I might want it that way a bit now :)

Thanks again!

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