BSG- "No Exit"
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blue_crow made me. Isn't it awesome? I owe him Gaius/Tyrol for it, so that ought to be fun.
I also have a Sekrit Project coming along. If I finish it, I'm going to need a beta, and maybe someone who can figure out how to do funky fonts. Anyone interested? Here's the catch- must be fluent in Dr. Horrible.
Okay. Two parts to this post:
No Exit, No Spoilers
Well, that was an exercise in "tell, don't show", wasn't it? Sheesh. I didn't hate the episode, but could they have put a little action in it?
Things I loved:
-They actually mentioned the Sevens. MUCH MORE ON THAT LATER.
-Ellen and Cavil. Seriously, is there a bad actor on this show?
-Michael Trucco really stepped it up this episode. I like Sam anyway and don't have nearly the animosity towards Sam that some people do, but he really sold me on the idea that he was a machine in this one.
-Boomer. I always rather liked Boomer, and I'm so, so, SO delighted to see her turn against Cavil.
-Tigh. Tigh is the man, and I am loving him.
Things I hated:
-Adama's flip-flopping on Cylon technology. On the one hand, I think he realized how anti-Cylon technology his crew really was, because a mutiny can kind of have that effect. On the other hand, it was just badly written. And I really wanted him to be upset over Gaeta. But Adama got very few scenes this episode, so maybe next one.
-Laura. Sorry, I love her normally. But they REALLY assassinated Laura the last few episodes. Hiding the Cylons behind civilians? Basically saying "the presidency is mine and you can't have it, even though you're legally in line?" to Tom Zarek? Telling Lee she's retaining the title but he gets to do all the work? Come ON, RDM. Roslin/Adama is my OTP- STOP WRECKING IT.
Things I just found funny:
-"Battlestar Galactica- sponsored by Viagra!" When two of the pairings involve men over 50, this becomes even funnier.
-Chief/Tory. (Oh, and how happy am I that he's Chief again???) I still want to smack Tory. Adds a lovely new dimension to her killing his wife, huh?
-Tigh going nuts over his baby boy. Awww.
Okay. Frak Chart Spoilers begin here.
The Theory- The only spoilers beyond this are Frak Chart Spoilers, and up to No Exit."
Okay. Here are my theories regarding the Seven.
1.) Daniel is completely dead and gone, and we'll never see anything more from him. This was just a retcon to explain the missing Sevens. Personally, I think this one is most likely.
2.) Daniel is Starbuck's father. (It's not Starbuck- Ellen specifically referred to him as a "he".) The thing I don't like about this one is that they retconned Nicky to a human baby so that Hera would still be "special". Well, what's special about Hera if Starbuck is a hybrid?
3.) Daniel is Gaeta. Oh, come on. You knew this was coming.
See, there's a few things I'm finding suspicious. When Dee suicided, there were big interviews with Kandyse McClure. Zarek died, and now they're honoring Richard Hatch. But Gaeta died, and no interviews? Maybe his turn is this week since no one died, but still. I think we're going to see Gaeta again in some form.
Now, truthfully, I prefer Gaeta to stay human. What I'd really like to see is him being the Elosha to Baltar's Roslin. It makes sense to me, a head!Gaeta/spiritual guide spurring Baltar on to the kind of leader he's apparently meant to be, given that Gaeta was the first one who believed in Baltar so passionately. And the idea of Gaeta ressurecting... I agree withmattski7 that it would really take away from Gaeta's story.
BUT.
Okay, ready for my specially created backstory? Ready for how I tie the pieces together? Personally, I think this is pretty awesome.
The Five created the Eight, right? Well, what if Sam Anders- musician on Earth, created the Daniels, and gave them his love of music? (Isn't this cool already?)
The Ones and the Sevens turned on each other, we know this, because the Sevens were basically too human. But Sevens existed. The Ones poisoned the bodies, but there were Sevens around. So.
On the frak chart, there's a link between Gaeta and Caprica Six. Now, we've all been assuming that that links to the webisodes. But what if it doesn't? What if Caprica Six was sleeping with one of the Sevens, and she ended up saving him from Cavil? She wiped his memory like a sleeper agent, made him think he was human, and hid him in the Fleet? And so Daniel, now Felix, lived in the Fleet, thinking he was human, and Caprica Six changed the programming so no one could really think about the Sevens any more, or at least forgot what he looked like. But when Caprica Six saw him on New Caprica, she knew him.
And Gaeta, even though he was programmed to think he was human, found himself torn. He trusted the Cylons because he was one, but he hated the Cylons because of what Cavil had done to him. And the conflict was tearing him apart.
And eventually the mutiny on the Demetrius happened, and Sam shot Felix. The reason he was SO upset, and the singing bothered him so much? He basically shot his son.
See? I told you this was pretty cool.
We've also been promised in interviews that we'll get an explanation for what the head!people are. I don't see Felix resurrecting, but what if he's able to do whatever it is Caprica Six did to Gaius to give him a head!person?
I really don't think this is going to come to pass. I think if we see Felix again, it will be a flashback or a head!person- but it wouldn't surprise me if we never see him again. ::sniff:: But we didn't see Baltar at all this episode, and we barely saw Adama, and we didn't see the CIC. Those are the places where Felix's ghost should linger, and so I'm still holding out hope we'll see a little of his impact.
Anyway, theories are fun :)
blue_crow made me. Isn't it awesome? I owe him Gaius/Tyrol for it, so that ought to be fun.I also have a Sekrit Project coming along. If I finish it, I'm going to need a beta, and maybe someone who can figure out how to do funky fonts. Anyone interested? Here's the catch- must be fluent in Dr. Horrible.
Okay. Two parts to this post:
No Exit, No Spoilers
Well, that was an exercise in "tell, don't show", wasn't it? Sheesh. I didn't hate the episode, but could they have put a little action in it?
Things I loved:
-They actually mentioned the Sevens. MUCH MORE ON THAT LATER.
-Ellen and Cavil. Seriously, is there a bad actor on this show?
-Michael Trucco really stepped it up this episode. I like Sam anyway and don't have nearly the animosity towards Sam that some people do, but he really sold me on the idea that he was a machine in this one.
-Boomer. I always rather liked Boomer, and I'm so, so, SO delighted to see her turn against Cavil.
-Tigh. Tigh is the man, and I am loving him.
Things I hated:
-Adama's flip-flopping on Cylon technology. On the one hand, I think he realized how anti-Cylon technology his crew really was, because a mutiny can kind of have that effect. On the other hand, it was just badly written. And I really wanted him to be upset over Gaeta. But Adama got very few scenes this episode, so maybe next one.
-Laura. Sorry, I love her normally. But they REALLY assassinated Laura the last few episodes. Hiding the Cylons behind civilians? Basically saying "the presidency is mine and you can't have it, even though you're legally in line?" to Tom Zarek? Telling Lee she's retaining the title but he gets to do all the work? Come ON, RDM. Roslin/Adama is my OTP- STOP WRECKING IT.
Things I just found funny:
-"Battlestar Galactica- sponsored by Viagra!" When two of the pairings involve men over 50, this becomes even funnier.
-Chief/Tory. (Oh, and how happy am I that he's Chief again???) I still want to smack Tory. Adds a lovely new dimension to her killing his wife, huh?
-Tigh going nuts over his baby boy. Awww.
Okay. Frak Chart Spoilers begin here.
The Theory- The only spoilers beyond this are Frak Chart Spoilers, and up to No Exit."
Okay. Here are my theories regarding the Seven.
1.) Daniel is completely dead and gone, and we'll never see anything more from him. This was just a retcon to explain the missing Sevens. Personally, I think this one is most likely.
2.) Daniel is Starbuck's father. (It's not Starbuck- Ellen specifically referred to him as a "he".) The thing I don't like about this one is that they retconned Nicky to a human baby so that Hera would still be "special". Well, what's special about Hera if Starbuck is a hybrid?
3.) Daniel is Gaeta. Oh, come on. You knew this was coming.
See, there's a few things I'm finding suspicious. When Dee suicided, there were big interviews with Kandyse McClure. Zarek died, and now they're honoring Richard Hatch. But Gaeta died, and no interviews? Maybe his turn is this week since no one died, but still. I think we're going to see Gaeta again in some form.
Now, truthfully, I prefer Gaeta to stay human. What I'd really like to see is him being the Elosha to Baltar's Roslin. It makes sense to me, a head!Gaeta/spiritual guide spurring Baltar on to the kind of leader he's apparently meant to be, given that Gaeta was the first one who believed in Baltar so passionately. And the idea of Gaeta ressurecting... I agree with
mattski7 that it would really take away from Gaeta's story.BUT.
Okay, ready for my specially created backstory? Ready for how I tie the pieces together? Personally, I think this is pretty awesome.
The Five created the Eight, right? Well, what if Sam Anders- musician on Earth, created the Daniels, and gave them his love of music? (Isn't this cool already?)
The Ones and the Sevens turned on each other, we know this, because the Sevens were basically too human. But Sevens existed. The Ones poisoned the bodies, but there were Sevens around. So.
On the frak chart, there's a link between Gaeta and Caprica Six. Now, we've all been assuming that that links to the webisodes. But what if it doesn't? What if Caprica Six was sleeping with one of the Sevens, and she ended up saving him from Cavil? She wiped his memory like a sleeper agent, made him think he was human, and hid him in the Fleet? And so Daniel, now Felix, lived in the Fleet, thinking he was human, and Caprica Six changed the programming so no one could really think about the Sevens any more, or at least forgot what he looked like. But when Caprica Six saw him on New Caprica, she knew him.
And Gaeta, even though he was programmed to think he was human, found himself torn. He trusted the Cylons because he was one, but he hated the Cylons because of what Cavil had done to him. And the conflict was tearing him apart.
And eventually the mutiny on the Demetrius happened, and Sam shot Felix. The reason he was SO upset, and the singing bothered him so much? He basically shot his son.
See? I told you this was pretty cool.
We've also been promised in interviews that we'll get an explanation for what the head!people are. I don't see Felix resurrecting, but what if he's able to do whatever it is Caprica Six did to Gaius to give him a head!person?
I really don't think this is going to come to pass. I think if we see Felix again, it will be a flashback or a head!person- but it wouldn't surprise me if we never see him again. ::sniff:: But we didn't see Baltar at all this episode, and we barely saw Adama, and we didn't see the CIC. Those are the places where Felix's ghost should linger, and so I'm still holding out hope we'll see a little of his impact.
Anyway, theories are fun :)
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Date: 2009-02-14 07:33 pm (UTC)That said, I think Jake is the Seven. Cavil killed them all but Jake was prepared. He ran very fast. Then he changed his name but painted his bowl a stylish yellow because sometimes, his artistic instinct just creeps up on him like that.
He hid behind the garbage dumb every time Ellen walked by on New Caprica, of course. :)
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Date: 2009-02-15 01:59 am (UTC)And failing it, Jake would be awesome, too. You just KNOW there's a mandela at the bottom of his bowl.
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Date: 2009-02-14 07:35 pm (UTC)I grinned so much when they talked about the Sevens because that's where my Gaeta/Head!Six thing is going... er, will go, as soon as Corrosion is done. If people want it to be done.
What I'd really like to see is him being the Elosha to Baltar's Roslin. It makes sense to me, a head!Gaeta/spiritual guide spurring Baltar on to the kind of leader he's apparently meant to be, given that Gaeta was the first one who believed in Baltar so passionately.AWWWWW. <3
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Date: 2009-02-15 02:01 am (UTC)(And really- who are we kidding? It would be cool it see Gaeta be a Cylon because it would be cool to see him come out of the goo bath.)
BTW- I haven't had time to comment but I've been reading Corrosion. It's excellent, but let me give you a HUGE piece of advice: it should be done when you think it's done. It's your story- write what you feel inspired to write!
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Date: 2009-02-15 02:27 am (UTC)*points to icon*
^^; thanks for the advice.
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Date: 2009-02-14 08:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-02-15 01:58 am (UTC)The boys are finally feeling better- YAY! We've been doing eating hospital all week. Going well, but very, very draining. Especially the driving, and all the time between feeding sessions.
How are you doing? (I've been really bad about keeping up!)
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Date: 2009-02-15 02:03 am (UTC)Doing ok, aside from fending off yet ANOTHER cold, and life's usual ups and downs, plus getting Two through her dental checkup (she gags and has tongue-thrust issues - it's fun :P). Busy but surviving. :) How long does eating hospital boot camp go for? Maybe we can arrange another visit sometime this spring....
If you want a few recent highlights, you can check out a Valentine MiniPlu got, the spaz mom I had to talk to, and a f short fic I wrote for
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Date: 2009-02-14 08:45 pm (UTC)What I'd really like to see is him being the Elosha to Baltar's Roslin. It makes sense to me, a head!Gaeta/spiritual guide spurring Baltar on to the kind of leader he's apparently meant to be, given that Gaeta was the first one who believed in Baltar so passionately.
I DEMAND THAT YOU WRITE ME THIS FIC. though not necessarily with Felix as a Cylon. 'cuz I like him 100% human.
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Date: 2009-02-15 02:02 am (UTC)I'll probably wait, but when the series ends I might try it. But I agree that Felix should stay human. (But I can see some positives in the Cylon thing. Especially if he got the goo bath treatment.)
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Date: 2009-02-15 04:01 am (UTC)I'LL BE IN MY BUNK.
*reminds self that actors are tired of fans asking them to take their shirts off* }:>
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Date: 2009-02-17 05:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-02-17 06:20 am (UTC)(you know how banks used to give you free gifts for opening an account or referring a friend? we've been joking that Mutant Enemy should award toasters for every new Browncoat recruited. *vbeg* And Mutant Enemy exists again, too! woot!)
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Date: 2009-02-14 09:29 pm (UTC)*sigh* You're right about Adama and Roslin. It sucks that they showed some power, won back the fleet, only to flake out again and ask Galen and Lee to please do their jobs for them while they go back to sulking and boozing. I'd get angry, but then I feel sorry for them. I think they're dying, like Galactica.
I want Gaeta to stay human too. I love characters like Ellen and Chief, but I can only imagine ficcing them before they knew they were cylons. I find it so hard to reimagine these characters with epic thousand year old cylon memories. So I don't really want to reimagine Gaeta with a cylon history, even though your theory is great and would be fun to read in fic. In the show I like Felix's human story too much.
I'm also disappointed and confused over the lack of AJ interviews this week. I had been looking forward to such interviews. Maybe AJ is too busy with his play for BSG press? It does seem odd though. He is quoted in Bears blog, but that seemed like a very clipped goodbye too. I'd be surprised if Gaeta returned only because the last 5 minutes of BotS seemed to give his character a strong sense of closure.
We'll see Gaeta again in deleted scenes if nothing else. I can't really gripe too much because Gaeta's 4.5 story was waaaay bigger than I was expecting.
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Date: 2009-02-15 01:56 am (UTC)I agree that Adama and Roslin are dying. It goes with the whole parents-let-the-children come into their own thing, anyway. I'll be kind of surprised if they live. But I'd really, really like to see some idea of what's going on in Adama's head.
even though your theory is great and would be fun to read in fic.
This, actually. I like my theory and it is fun, but I agree that Felix should stay human. And yeah, if I had the time, the fic would be fun. But between fics I've promised and my new little project (Felix Gaeta's Sing-Along Mutiny!), there was no way I was going to write this.
I'd be surprised if Gaeta returned only because the last 5 minutes of BotS seemed to give his character a strong sense of closure.
See, the reason I can see the head!Gaeta idea is because it doesn't add to Gaeta's story- it would propel Baltar's. I agree that Gaeta's story is over, and there's closure. Felix is at peace, and I'm sure he and Dee are throwing popcorn at various Adamas heads from their couch in the afterlife. But a head!Gaeta returning to guide Baltar doesn't develop Felix, but does do a lot for Gaius. But I think I'm really clinging.
And yeah- I agree about the story being WAY bigger- and more awesome- than expected. I'm sad he died, but he went out outstandingly.
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Date: 2009-02-15 04:03 am (UTC)That would be AWESOME. I'd pay folding money to watch that. I haaaaate Tory!
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Date: 2009-02-14 10:19 pm (UTC)Well, I stopped watching BSG because I found it too violent and intense, but I have to say I lerve your icon...
Richard Hatch *sighs* I had the biggest crush on Richard Hatch in the orginal BSG when I was 19...
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Date: 2009-02-15 01:57 am (UTC)And it's funny that you mentioned the violence and intensity, because that smile between Zarek and Gaeta took place right before they were killed by a firing squad. :P
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Date: 2009-02-15 09:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-02-15 08:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-02-15 07:56 pm (UTC)SO with you on Adama's flip-flop. That made me crazy - and yeah, you COULD write it off to him learning from the mutiny, but it didn't come across that way and was just bad writing. I wanted more.
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Date: 2009-02-15 08:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-02-17 05:36 am (UTC)LOVE that theory!