A Rewatch Thought

[lls_mutant]

So, I figured I'd look and see if I could glean anything additional about Hoshi off of some of the old episodes. Unfortunately, that meant I rewatched The Captain's Hand, which while far from my least favorite, is definitely in the bottom third.



1.) Hoshi has a mouth on him. He swears several times on deck. Mild, made-for-TV swears, but swears nonetheless. Watching this episode reaffirmed my theory that yes, he does have a very different professional side and personal side. And while I've been writing Narcho as my swearer, it's nice to know Hoshi's not always so clean and sweet.

2.) Dee and Lee have NO chemistry. At least not in this episode. The actors are trying, but it's just not there. Granted, given how their relationship works out, that's not necessarily a bad thing. But Kandyse McClure is SO freaking pretty.

3.) I forgot this was the episode with my favorite ever Starbuck-Apollo line... "You have a brain?" Hee.

4.) It was funny to watch Hoshi knowing he eventually becomes Admiral. And you know, thinking aobut that line about someone people respect, I STILL wonder if that wasn't supposed to be Gaeta, and they changed the person but not the line when they gave Gaeta the mutiny storyline.

5.) Brad Dryborough was officially saddled with the absolute worst haircut on the show. If he's got a wife, I'll bet she giggled every time she saw him with it.

I didn't rewatch the more interesting storyline that they never again did anything with of Laura struggling with the abortion issue, because I really just had it on for something in the background as I cleaned the room.

I miss my show.



Toby started back up at OT today just for general body issues. Apparently, he's got really weak trunk strength, which I kind of knew but then makes me worry that I'm doing something wrong. I'm trying not to think that, because that's not productive. I hate the therapy game. Plus, I had to chase Trevor all over, and try to get him away from whatever Toby's doing.

Ugh. Is it the weekend yet?

Comments

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

Lee/Dee really have no chemistry... I was always so mad that she screwed Billy over because I liked them so much. I have this huge huge soft spot for Billy, especially because of the audio drama I work on (in which the antagonist has an assistant named Billy because he may or may not secretly want to be Laura Roslin.)

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

I would have been madder, but I was more mad at Paul Campbell for leaving the show. Dee/Billy was my first BSG OTP- I loved them, too. I wasn't thrilled with Dee for doing that, but I wasn't nearly as mad at her as I was at Starbuck for cheating on Anders. ::sigh:: Poor Billy.

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

Hoshi has a mouth on him. He swears several times on deck. Mild, made-for-TV swears, but swears nonetheless. Watching this episode reaffirmed my theory that yes, he does have a very different professional side and personal side. And while I've been writing Narcho as my swearer, it's nice to know Hoshi's not always so clean and sweet.
LOL, the big ol' teddy bear gots some fangs does he? *will do a ReWatch as soon as finals are over*

Brad Dryborough was officially saddled with the absolute worst haircut on the show.
tracy_loo_who has scans of the cast book and Brad mentioned that on his half-page. "The Worst Haircut in TV History" I think he called it. XDXD (it's so weird to know that Hoshi was originally a woman...)

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

A Japanese woman, apparently!

[blue-crow.livejournal.com]

and probably another NPC destined for Gaius's sheets

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yes he does, the very little we know of him.

And yeah, that amuses me to no end- both that he realized how bad his haircut was and that it was originally a female character. The idea of him playing Thorne cracks me up, too. I just can't see it.

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

I should go back and look for Hoshi. I can't remember him swearing at all.

I forgot this was the episode with my favorite ever Starbuck-Apollo line... "You have a brain?"
Aw, that line is so tender and snarky. I heard Jamie Bamber ad-libbed it, which makes me like him more.

And you know, thinking aobut that line about someone people respect, I STILL wonder if that wasn't supposed to be Gaeta, and they changed the person but not the line when they gave Gaeta the mutiny storyline.
I really do want to like Hoshi just because of Gaeta/Hoshi, but that whole "commands universal respect" thing just came out of NOWHERE, didn't it? It's like they'd completely run out of characters who were important enough to be recognized but not important enough to take part in the final battle. :/ I don't regret the Gaeta mutiny storyline because I think it was a highlight of S4.5, but it could've been so much better to see him or Dualla become Admiral.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

It's just things like "Frakking" and "bastards", but they're both there.

heard Jamie Bamber ad-libbed it, which makes me like him more.

Did he? I LOVE that line. It's my favorite Apollo line ever, and my favorite between Lee and Kara. It's just so... perfect.

I really do want to like Hoshi just because of Gaeta/Hoshi, but that whole "commands universal respect" thing just came out of NOWHERE, didn't it?

Exactly. I like Hoshi because I gave him a personality in my head, but the commands universal respect... and how does showing him having trouble mopping up coffee convey "commands universal respect?" More what I got out of that was "Good luck filling Gaeta's shoes."

I still think they should have made us know who Hoshi was long before this, hooked him and Gaeta up in Season 3 and given them The Woman King, then made Hoshi the suicide, Gaeta still mutiny, and Dee the Admiral. That would have been awesome, at least in my world :)

[kappamaki33.livejournal.com]

I wonder if the "commands universal respect" thing isn't meant more as an Adama-ism than Adama making a statement that's supposed to accurately reflect others' opinions. Adama does tend to project his feelings about a person on to everybody else, so "universal respect" could be code for "my respect," which he got for not mutinying.

The other way to look at it might be that Hoshi never really had to choose a side in the mutiny, so neither side hates his guts. That's not exactly "respect," but it's a trait that not too many other characters have at that point.

That said, I like your re-write better. Especially the part about the drastic re-write of "The Woman King."

[tuppence1.livejournal.com]

Ah, The Captain's Hand.

Full confession: I ship Lee/Dee, and for no good reason except that some of the Lee/Kara shippers really piss me off. Yes, that's an awful reason to ship a pair. I have total sympathy for most Kara/Lee shippers - certainly anyone whose list I normally read, but some of the crazy folk are *awful*. Their crazy starts with Dee bashing and goes (I'm told) to full on racism against Kandyse M. I was so appalled that I started shipping Dee/Lee. But yeah, they got more couple screentime in this episode than almost any other yet their chemistry was never quite right. Except for SAGN. So clearly they weren't incapable of chemistry, it was just a bad directing choice. Or acting choice. Or something.

I wonder about that "someone people respect" line too. Regarding it being for Gaeta, my thought is that the timing doesn't seem right, because if I remember correctly, Juliani was told about the mutiny storyline while he was shooting GWCTD. That had to have been well before Daybreak was written. The line really does fit both Dee and Felix very well, but I think it was just RDM doing a bit of telling-not-showing for Hoshi. (But I love Hoshi, so I'm going with it.)

What I find interesting about Hoshi is an acting choice that Brad D makes - he jumps on his response lines. Watch the pacing between Hoshi's answers to his commanding officers, and any of the other military folk's responses. Hoshi's lines come at a much quicker pace. It makes him seem a little more anxious than the other characters, but it also shows that Hoshi comprehends and reacts very quickly. I can't exactly recall how Brad D paces his lines when he's not on duty - which is basically his scenes with Felix and his scenes in Daybreak - but I think his pace is slower. I like dissecting acting choices. :)

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

I love Dee (as is evidenced by the fact I'm writing much fic about her), and it makes me sad that the crazies say so much horrible about her. After all, it's LEE that was the one who couldn't figure out what he wanted :) I have a lot less respect for Lee in that relationship than I do for Dee. ::hugs Dee:: I mean, at least Dee came clean with Billy, and broke off with him properly. (Eventually. But still.)

you're probably very right about RDM telling-not-showing with the respect line. (Which is funny, because what we do see of Hoshi in Daybreak is him trying to clean up coffee.) I can't help but think that there was a large percentage of the viewing audience going "WHO?" when they saw him :) (Especially since the haircut REALLY makes a huge difference.)

That's an interesting point about BD's pacing. I hadn't noticed it, but I'd noticed the effect that it makes him seem anxious and competent. (Very much like Seaon 1 Felix, amusingly.) There's so little to go one with Hoshi... which definitely has its advantages at times! ::sigh:: I think all his real development came in the webisodes. Even Daybreak didn't give him much.

[daybreak777.livejournal.com]

Hoshi has a mouth on him? Really? I'll have to watch that again. :-)

I forgot this was the episode with my favorite ever Starbuck-Apollo line... "You have a brain?" Hee.
I think Jamie might have adlibbed that. Ah, sweet Jamie. :-)

Speaking of Toby, I've started watching TWW. Toby!!!!

Hey, you know what I wanted to reread lately? A comment!fic you wrote about ships leaving messages supporting Felix for the mutiny. Do you have a link to it? That was very funny. :-)

[aome.livejournal.com]

If it's trunk strength, why isn't Toby in *PT*? OT is for fine-motor, not core muscles, I didn't think. Maggie was likewise treated for trunk strength issues this past winter - by a PT. OT never even came up.

General muscle tone is something a person is born with, but it can be certainly corrected. I sincerely doubt it's something you did. *hugs*