Lessening Ship Hate

[lls_mutant]

Gakked from marauderthesn who Gacked from rynne: Take the one ship in this fandom [HP] you really can't stand (if there's more than one, pick the one you like least), and post in your journal what is good about that ship. No sarcasm allowed--be sincere, though you don't have to pretend you don't like your favorite ship. Just try to find something you like about that ship you hate.

Skipping over the adult/student pairings, because those really do squick me:

Remus/Tonks

Okay, okay, I will admit it. Remus/Tonks is NOT an implausible ship. In fact, it's rather plausible in terms of age, availablity, and yes, even personality to an extent. It WOULD be nice to see Remus have some happiness, and yeah- the guy is NOT a stodgy old codger. He could totally handle a girl with spirit. In fact, Remus NEEDS someone with spirit because he has plenty of it- control and lack of spirit are not necessarily synonyms. Tonks would benefit from having someone like Remus.

Best thing about this ship: A while back I recced a fic called Changes. I LOVED this fic, and you know, even though I prefer Remus with Sirius, I liked the author's reasoning for why Remus would be good for Tonks: his -understanding- of her and the fact that Remus does seem much more oriented on the inside than the outside.

I love Tonks. I love Remus. As of right now I don't think they're plausible, BUT (and this is a big but), I don't think it would require much effort on JKR's part to change that. I really don't. So if she wrote this ship- and wrote it well enough (doesn't have to be big, I mean, look at Faramir/Eowyn)- I would accept it and accept it well.

So there you go rynne. A little ship love!

Comments

[occult-proposal.livejournal.com]

yeah. Remus/Tonks is my least favorite pairing ever. EVER.
I can't see the age difference or even the basis as to why people ship it. and is it just me or is Tonks really very much a lesbian?
I do tend to project.
But i will say that I quite like Tonks. She's seems like she'd be a fun person to ahve around as a friend.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Oh, I ADORE Tonks. I don't really see her as a lesbian (I kind of like her with Charlie Weasley), but I don't really not see her as a lesbian, either, if that makes sense.

Most of the ships I object to I have a really, really good reason. Student/teacher ships make me uncomfortable, although admittedly less so if the student is of age or out of school. Anyone but Pansy with Draco bugs me because I think it's flat out unhealthy, and it's never written as such. (I like Draco as a character, think he's a sorry excuse for a human being!). But Remus/Tonks...

My biggest objection to Remus/Tonks is I LIKE Tonks single. I think she's a young accessible adult who is totally kickass, and if she walks out of the series alive I'd love to see her walk out single and HAPPY about the fact. As a fandom we beg for strong, independent female characters, JKR gives us one, and what's the first thing fandom does? Ships her with every adult male in sight. Ugh. Give me singleandlovingit!Tonks any day!

To be honest, I also think Tonks deserves -better- than what Remus can give her. I adore Remus, don't get me wrong. But I just don't think they are right for each other, and I think Remus is emotionally exhausted at this point. The poor guy has more baggage than an entire airport. For me, IF he survives (and I really have my doubts on that), the perfect happy ending for me for Remus is the DADA job and tenure. I mean, granted that I'm a R/S shipper, but I kind of feel like romance is actually the -last- thing Remus needs right now.

Which probably undoes everything the initial post just did, but.... I can at least sort of see why people ship them, even if I just -don't.-

[deaddesire.livejournal.com]

As a fandom we beg for strong, independent female characters, JKR gives us one, and what's the first thing fandom does? Ships her with every adult male in sight. Ugh.

Thats a really good point and I very much agree. silly fandom.
She's at such an interesting point in her life too. :/

xD

[jlarinda.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I hate Remus/Tonks too. Because all she does is say one freaking sentence to him, and everyone thinks they're together. And the very few non-slasher friends I have who are in the HP fandom are R/T shippers, and it's just not right. We have two books of hints for R/S, and they refuse to believe it, and then just because Tonks says to Remus she doesn't like to be called "Nymphadora", they ship them?? That's only cause they're a het couple, and it makes me really angry.
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I am, of course, stealing this too.

Remus/Tonks

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

*head desks*.

Just... no.

I know that you're trying to bring the love, but... no.

I think that a young woman, with an exciting and kickass job would be having too much fun to just want to settle. As much as I like Remus, I do think that he is older than he should be, because of his delibitating sickness, and just his treatment by life in general.

I could see Remus and Tonks probably in a relationship of transcience, where probably Lupin learns that there are still good people around, and Tonks learns that you can't save everyone, and they move on.

Whenever I see the R/T ship it is all babies and lurve- her job is exciting and creative, and I just couldn't see her chucking it all for Remus.

Re: Remus/Tonks

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Heh. I do totally agree with you. See my response to occult_proposal. I don't like the relationship at all, because I don't think they remotely have anything in common. For me, a happy ending for Remus is the DADA job complete with tenure, and a nice friendship with Harry. And a happy ending for Tonks is exactly what you say- excitement and fun.

But yeah, I sort of know rynne and figured I'd be nice and spread the ship love, and this was the only ship I hate that I can find something nice to say about. (I don't hate many ships, and most of the ones I do, people understand why. Teacher/student or just massively dysfunctional!)

I hear you, kid

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Hey, I linked your work to here, and people really enjoyed Deny Thy Father and Mentors. Good on you kid, you deserve it. Erm, I haven't read your Accidentally In Love as yet, because everytime I start reading a WIP, the writer decides to piss me off and stop writing.

I've been burnt so much by WIP's, I need skin grafts, so I will wait until all is posted.

For me, a happy ending for Remus is the DADA job complete with tenure, and a nice friendship with Harry.

Me too, pet. Me too.

I'd love for someone to write this happy ending for Remus (so that I can read!), and I've promised myself that if no-one writes it, I shall... eventually. Even though I'm not much of a fic writer.

Woe!

Re: I hear you, kid

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Thanks so much for the pimpage- you made my day. I'm sort of getting frustrated with not quite getting noticed some days, and I'm really grateful :) I read the thread and it was really flattering (although I do agree with the one poster who said the boys occasionally get too emotional- there's a few Sirius/Remus scenes I felt went that way. (Not so much with Peter and James.))

TOTALLY understand about why you haven't gone near Accidentally In Love, though. I've gotten burnt by WIPs before too, and although I intend to finish this and know -exactly- how it ends, you know how that goes. :P I was very close to thinking about stopping after Part 3 because it was a truly good stopping point, but... But on the other hand, I really want it done before HBP comes out!

And yeah, I'm hoping JKR herself will write that happy ending for Remus. If she doesn't kill him off, that is.....

*sigh*

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I hear you about the lack of pimpage though, I'm reading various fics that are rec'd and they all seem to be NC-17, incest/chan pairings. There's even a writer that I liked that's gone off into that direction.

Now, I don't mind deep, dark complex fics, but I can't see why deep and dark fics need to be centred around the skanky side of sex. *sigh* But then, in a fandom where (it seems) that rape is considered gen if there is no titalling or obvious pairings, I really shouldn't ask, it seems.

I mean, there's a good fanfic writer called paulamcg (I think or it is paulamg that writes a Sirius/Remus in first person (Sirius), and her writing is very quiet and with purpose, but no slash, but she doesn't get the attention that she deserves.

*sigh*

Keep on writing for us that appreciate the complex emotions without the paint-by-numbers kink.

I should really start to plug topaz_eyes but I'm her beta reader, wouldn't that be considered crass?

Re: *sigh*

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Argh. I typed a reply to this yesterday, but it got eaten.

I hear you on the NC-17 thing. I like a good PWP as much as anyone, but I also really like a plot for a fic. And there's so much plotty stuff you can do with these two- so much that goes beyond how they got together or whatever....

I have read paulamcg's stuff, and I agree that it doesn't get the attention that it deserves. And the cynic in me says it's because her writing is subtle and mature and doesn't focus on romance much, much less sex. I've LOVED some of her stuff, but I miss the sharp, self-depricating humor Sirius had in the first few stories sorely. But regardless, I really respect her writing.

I've been thinking about putting together a rec list of stories that have plots, and are NOT classics. Not that the classics aren't good, but I think there's a lot of phenomenal writers out there that don't get the read time that they should.

Rec for you: have you read Sirius Has a Girlfriend (http://www.livejournal.com/users/riko/35634.html), by riko? It would be right up your alley- a lot of the focus is actually on Sirius having to track Regulus. It's a gorgeous story, and one of my favorites.

As for plugging topaz_eyes, I don't think it's crass. I only beta for people I'd plug for, so....

Sorry about the whinge there. Just get frustrated some days!

Yeah, I read that story

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

and did that whole comment thing. It was lush and atmospheric and oh so bittersweet.

Do that - the recs thing. I'll chip in a story or two. I mean, I'm finding that my tastes in stories is changing, and I'm becoming rather ...disturbed with the incest/chan/non-con offerings pushed at me in the guise of 'hot fic'

Then, this whole skyhawke net archives thing on LJ isn't helping matters. The thing is, technology is racing ahead of legislation, and when the latter catches up with the former, people are going to have to take responsibility for what they write, and in Europe (and Australia) right now, this is a big deal, and I can't see why writers aren't being more sensitive the matters at hand.

But this is a post for my journal...

btw

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

how did you get tinaling's permission to use her work as your icons? I have thought of asking various artists for permission to do so, but I've never really had the guts to, because quite a few of them seem to be protective of their work (and that's not a bad thing).

I really like her take on the Marauders. Especially Sirius and James!

I do hope she starts drawing again when the new book comes out!

Re: btw

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

I know- I adore her stuff. I love her Remus, too, but my favorite of hers is Peter.

She's actually made icons that you're free to use as long as you don't change them. I have absolutely NO problem with her getting the credit she deserves, so I took her up on it and swiped a few, and put the credit in my user info for good measure. Her and Tealin- I love both of their stuff.

And she even draws Peter! (Just using his icon because I like Peter. At least in my world, I like Peter!)

But yeah- if you can send me a few stories, please do. I'm rapidly getting annoyed with the NC-17 thing too. I mean, I LIKE it (some of it), but that's not always what I want. ::Sigh:: I really ought to find out more about the Skyhawke thing. I don't have an archive there, so I haven't paid much attention.

Re: I hear you, kid

[magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com]

Well, I keep meaning to read your stuff and I'm just about to leave a review for at least Azkaban Tango this afternoon. Do you mind if I friend you? I'm blonde goldfish over at FAP :)

Re: I hear you, kid

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Heh. Sorry- wasn't trying to whinge. What's really frustrating to me is I know I'm not the only one with this problem. There are a lot of good writers out there that just can't quite break in.

Friend away!

Re: I hear you, kid

[magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com]

Well, we will just just have to pimp away. Maybe we should bribe people to apply to be coders and then get them to tell us about new fics goingg up :D

Re: I hear you, kid

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Heh. Well, I'm starting a new rec list. Lesser known authors with plots. (Or lesser known plots of BNFs- it's really, really frustrating when you have a story you LOVE that doesn't get the attention of something you're not as fond of!) Granted, I don't have a huge distribution, but hey! Reccing is good anyway :)

Re: I hear you, kid

[magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com]

Yes and it's always nice to have more fics in my to read list. I was halfway through the first chapter of Deny thy Father when my internet died yesterday, so tonight fics here I come! :D