The Webisodes, Spoiler Edition

[lls_mutant]

Okay. Here's what we know. We all know (or we do now) that we're flashing back to the New Caprica, and Felix's little romance with an Eight. However, I'm thinking that the romance might not be the secret. Because, come on. Everyone knows that Baltar slept with a Cylon, Helo's MARRIED to a Cylon, and Tyrol was in love with a Cylon. No one tossed them out the airlock.

BUT.

That list that Gaeta's writing... I'm worried he's not writing it in the Raptor. I'm wondering if he's writing it on New Caprica.

I've always wondered what all Gaeta had to do in his role as inside man on New Caprica. Because, you know, he was probably asked to do a lot more than just read announcements and type memos. One of the things I wanted to do- but didn't manage to bring myself to do it- when I wrote Youth's Final Luxury was to point out that "helping the Cylons" probably meant more than bringing them bagels and refreshing their coffee. How did he get their trust?

I'm starting to think that maybe that list he was writing was a rough draft of a detention list or a death list. Maybe not intentionally. I'm thinking maybe the Eight betrayed him and had him write it for a different reason and then gave it to the Cylons. I hope I'm wrong- I often am.

The Eight kiss- I'm pretty sure, given what we know, that she's kissing Gaeta. Could anyone figure out what he was wearing in that shot? I am very much hoping that it was a flashback. I can handle a former Gaeta/Eight relationship. I do NOT want to see him cheat on Hoshi.

I am pleased that Hoshi is going to go chasing Gaeta. That makes me very happy (as does the fact he's going with Racetrack!).

Big spoilers, here, for the rest of the webisodes. What I found was the summary of each one- one sentence, doesn't give TOO much away.

1. While on his way to get some R&R Gaeta?s Raptor makes an unexpected detour.
2. While stranded in the middle of space, Gaeta and the other passengers realize that time ?and air is limited.
3. Gaeta realizes that he knows one of the Eights more than he lets the others believe.
4. The passengers begin to suspect foul play.
5. While trying to preserve the air supply, Gaeta thinks back to the Eight he knew on New Caprica.
6. Gaeta decides to go with the Eight?s plan on getting them home.
7. As Hoshi and Racetrack search for the missing Raptor, Gaeta realizes that he might not be as safe as he thought.
8. With almost all the passengers dead, Gaeta realizes that sometimes it?s hope in others that blinds you.
9: With the help of the Eight, Gaeta makes some harsh realizations about himself.
10: With no hope of rescue in sight, Gaeta has to make a final decision about his future.


The ones that intrigue me are 9 and 10.

In terms of 9: what realizations is Gaeta making? Here are a few off the top of my head:

1.) He's done everything he condemned Gaius Baltar of doing- slept with a Cylon during the Occupation, betrayed his people, and went for the drugs.

2.) He's a morpha addict. Seriously- I can see where this one might be VERY possible. It's minor enough that it makes sense to put it in the webisodes, but yeah, an addiction would be a big thing. (I also really like this one because it doesn't totally assassinate his character.)

3.) He's a sleeper agent. I can't tell who's cutting their hand. I THINK it's Gaeta, but it would also make sense for it to be an Eight, doing something similar to Flight of the Phoenix when Athena stuck the fiber optic cable up her arm. But if Gaeta thinks he's a Cylon... you see where I'm going?

4.) He killed all these people. The thing about that is making Gaeta the killer seems like an AWFULLY big thing to do in a webisode.

Any other good thoughts for revelations?

As far as 10 goes, since Gaeta doesn't think he's going to make it back, I'm assuming that Hoshi will find him. It looks like all of the other passengers may be dead, except maybe the eight. (I really wonder who's doing all the killing, although it's very possible that it's one of the others and Gaeta killed them before they could kill him.) I am very, very, very much hoping that Hoshi and Gaeta do not end up breaking up in the last 3 minutes of this. I am also very, very much hoping that Gaeta isn't hooking back up with the Eight. Although I'd like to think that they won't do that. That seems very cheap and easy.

Please, though, let us get a nice reunion scene with Gaeta and Hoshi. This is already dark- let's add a little happiness. Plus, I am REALLY hoping the pairing makes it over to the show, just because I've defended it so much. I don't want to be wrong.

Another comment: if anyone else falls in love with an Eight, I WILL scream. Three main male parts in love with the Eights? If I was single and looking, I'd be asking where I can get some of that programming. (Although it would be nice to see an Eight act evil-ish for a bit, please.)

I do think it's kind of funny that Skiffy got all "look! Gaeta and Hoshi almost kiss", and there were people talking about "full on making out", and it looks like this is almost more about Gaeta/Sharon than it is about Gaeta/Hoshi. (Although it seems like we're going to be seeing stuff from Hoshi's side of it.) I mean, I don't really mind, because I'm more interested in the emotional stuff, but dude- who's version of "full on making out" is that, and how much must their sex life SUCK?

Anyway. I really ought to think about eating lunch at some point. More babbling later, I'm sure!

Comments

[rap541.livejournal.com]

Based on other spoilers I have seen (specifically a potential mutiny with Zarek) I wonder if the realization is that he has to stop being a good do-bee.

He could be addicted to drugs, but really, I woould call shennanigans and "character trashing" on that simply because they really don't have the resources for anyone to be a dope addict.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

I just got my Entertainment Weekly in the mail, and they said yup- painkiller junkie. Of course, I'm not sure how reliable that is- it's a quick blurb and a conclusion you could jump to pretty quickly (I sure did), but given that I went there myself, I'll believe it.

You're right that they don't have the resources- which is exactly why Hoshi would have had to do Ishay that huge favor. Felix didn't get that morpha legally- I'm sure that's why Hoshi was looking over his shoulder when he approached. And Hoshi probably isn't thinking of it too seriously yet, because it's only been maybe two weeks. Felix is still obviously in a lot of pain, and I can see Hoshi thinking "he really does need it" still and not "he's getting addicted." Heck, I can see Felix thinking that, too.

That's one development I actually think is a good idea. It's just the right size for the webisodes, and is interesting but not so crucial that you MUST know the whole thing to understand the show, but I can see where they can work it in a little.

[rap541.livejournal.com]

Yeah... make the queer the baby who can't handle the pain while all the cool kids suffer their injuries bravely....

What? That stereotype hasn't occured to anyone? :)

(not intending to sound pissed off but really, the gay is a drug addict, hmmmm)

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but have you had the stuff?

I had one dose. One. During an emergency C-section. And I still went through a mild withdrawal. That stuff is ADDICTIVE.

Yeah, the others all went through without having to do this, but Felix is also the only one who's lost a limb. It doesn't bother me at all, because I don't think it's a stereotype- I think it's realistic. If it had just been a gunshot, I'd be with you. But given what he's gone through... not only that, he stayed awake for the amputation and was back at duty four days later. Let's see any of the cool kids do THAT- Starbuck whined and stayed in bed for several days when she messed up her knee.

[falafel-musings.livejournal.com]

I don't see any stereotyping in giving Gaeta a drug addiction. In my opinion if Gaeta was a stereotype then he'd be definied solely by his sexuality. If Gaeta has this morpha habit, his disability, his techie skills, his broken idealism, etc, it means he's a multi-facetted character and his sexuality is just one of those facets.

And besides, Kara and Tigh are drunks, Baltar's a pill-popper, Roslin's a Carmala fiend and Kat was a Stim Junkie. So I don't see the cool kids suffering bravely. Over the years I think Felix has been much more stoic about his personal angst than most characters.

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

"I just got my Entertainment Weekly in the mail, and they said yup- painkiller junkie. Of course, I'm not sure how reliable that is- it's a quick blurb and a conclusion you could jump to pretty quickly (I sure did), but given that I went there myself, I'll believe it."

Guh, I spent my mag budget on Sci Fi instead of EW, but EW pimps the shit that is Twilight, therefore, they are untrustworthy. Or so says I.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

I'd believe this little blurb well enough :) It's just a quick blurb, and it fits with everything I've seen.

Plus, I'm really getting sold on the idea that that's part of his realization he has to come to. Maybe he gives up his last dose to let his Eight die peacefully or something.

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

Hurm.

Well, I don't like it (drugs are bad), but if AJ's satisfied with the arc, okay then.

[rap541.livejournal.com]

Really, you have to remember that pretty much everyone is going to die after being raped clawing out their own intestines and eating them in a zombie like fest of violent sex and death. So if Gaeta od's/is shot as a traitor/drawn and quartered by english peasants.... is it really any worse than how everyone else will go?

Mark my unspoiled prediction. Bill is the final Cylon and Kara kills him in the final episode.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

At least if he ODs he might die more painlessly than the rest of them. Although I hope he ends with a little more dignity than that.

If this whole thing- or at least the bloody murders part- isn't one giant morpha hallucination.

Although your comment made me think... do you think Jane Espenson was remembering Reavers when she started coming up with this? That's actually what that bit with him cutting his hand makes me think of, after "let's see if I can shove a cable up here and reprogram the computer!"

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

It's definitely Felix cutting his palm open- I'm an art student, somehow this gives me the wonderful ability to notice hand and facial structures. :I The scene wish someone's neck slashed, that's an Eight and I'm 99% sure those are Felix's hands covered in blood.

"With the help of the Eight, Gaeta makes some harsh realizations about himself."
HE'S A CYLON.

"With no hope of rescue in sight, Gaeta has to make a final decision about his future."
Off himself with hopes that there's more than one Hub out there?

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

I'm rooting for "he's turning into a drug addict." Especially since I don't think they'd put a Cylon reveal in the webisodes.

Oooh, here's another idea I like. While Racetrack and Hoshi are searching for Gaeta, Racetrack could actually ask the questions like "how long have you guys been together" and "how serious is it?" and stuff like that.

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

"Oooh, here's another idea I like. While Racetrack and Hoshi are searching for Gaeta, Racetrack could actually ask the questions like "how long have you guys been together" and "how serious is it?" and stuff like that."

:D Awwwwwww. Yes, little glimmers of light in the dark dark darkness, plz.

[ingridmatthews.livejournal.com]

OMG, I'm starting to think Felix is the Fifth Cylon. If he kills the Sharon and cuts open his own hand to do the Sharon Computer thing ... omg.

OH DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR.

[rap541.livejournal.com]

To be fair, that would explain his boinking men and women :)

[ingridmatthews.livejournal.com]

It would explain a lot of stuff, except for the part where RDM actually picked a sleeper that made an iota of sense.

Nah, he can't be. IT'S TOO LOGICAL.

Although I must say that the Gaeta-torture on this show is quite something else. I thought Dana Scully had it bad, she's not even close.

[rap541.livejournal.com]

I would be surprised if we got an actual reveal in the webisodes tho. That makes me think its a red herring

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

What she said. I'm thinking that they would never reveal something THAT big in the webisodes. Or maybe he does try it... and nothing happens. Or there's some reason he needs blood, although I'm not coming up with much.

[rap541.livejournal.com]

And Cylons are bisexual.... :D

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

Maybe Cylon blood has been retconned to have pain-killing properties, and he slices both their palms open and smoosh the cuts together so he gets the magic blood?? :B

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

::snerk:: Maybe no one explained sex to them properly :)

[trovia.livejournal.com]

1.) He's done everything he condemned Gaius Baltar of doing- slept with a Cylon during the Occupation, betrayed his people, and went for the drugs.

Possible. I don't like it because I never had a feeling that Felix was good with self-delusion. Incapable of reading social cues, yes, and too smitten with Baltar to think straight, yes, but he's not the kind of guy who makes excuses for himself. And that would be some pretty heavy self-delusion for him to notice only now. Except he did it out of reasons of PTSD, as in your story. That would be different. So, I don't like the idea but it seems to be most likely for me. I haven't thought up anything better, too.

2.) He's a morpha addict.

While that one makes an awful lot of sense from what we've seen so far, I don't think so. I don't know, it does't feel right. I can't see Sharon giving him a speech about addiction.

3.) He's a sleeper agent.

I don't believe it. It's really just too big for the webisodes. They can't reveal a Cylon there. Maybe the Eight is evil and makes him believe he was a Cylon, hence the hand cutting. I actually threw away a story where Felix hoped he was a Cylon. That could mess him up badly and explain why he'll change sides. But I'm not sure that it would qualify as a harsh realization.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I gotta agree that Felix isn't much into the self delusion. I'm wondering about the list, still, though. ::Sigh::

I can't see Sharon giving him a speech about addiction.

I can't, either. It's not BSG's style anyway. But I CAN see it going this way:

1.) Murderer attacks Sharon, and/or Felix, Sharon and/or Felix kills murderer. Sharon is hurt in the process.

2.) It becomes clear Sharon is going to die, just as Felix is starting to go through the shakes.

3.) He's got one dose of morpha left. Does he give it to the Eight and let her die in peace, or give it to himself? Obviously, he wants it, and that makes him realize he's addicted.

4.) Final decision: he gives it to her and decides to kick the habit. (or takes it himself and stays addicted, and she dies in agony.)

Hoshi rescues, we have a set up for a junkie Felix in the actual series, or something.

I do agree that the sleeper agent thing would be too big for a webisode reveal.

[trovia.livejournal.com]

That sounds like a great ending. Thing is just, I wouldn't call that Sharon helping Felix to have a realization. Rather, being there by accident. But not being a native speaker, my judgement might be off...?

I'd say it's more likely that they have an argument, with Sharon accusing Felix of all kinds of things to show him how pathetic he's become. If they set it up right, that might lead to Felix realizing it's true.

[falafel-musings.livejournal.com]

I'm wondering about the list, still, though. ::Sigh::

I noticed there is a quick clip of Gaeta putting a note in the garbage jump. It's the one telling the resistance that Baltar wasn't going to be at the Police Graduation. Maybe the list of names were the Secret Police (didn't Roslin and Tory have their names from the inside source?). Maybe Gaeta is feeling guilty about the role he played in the suicide bombing (though I still think Tigh is more to blame for that). But it's a fact that if Gaeta hadn't given out that information those people wouldn't have died and it seems like Gaeta was mostly gunning for Baltar.

I like the idea of Gaeta giving the last of the morpha to a dying Stalker8 (I refuse to call her Sweet8) Even if he is not an addict, it would be heroic to give up the morpha since there is no sign of a rescue and the alternative is a slow painful death by suffocation.

I'll be gutted if we don't get a Felix/Hoshi reunion.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

That's a good point about the secret police, although I thought maybe Duck gave them that info. But maybe not. I'm so lost at this point in my own theories. I'm just trying to figure out where the Gaeta/Eight kiss takes place. Hopefully on New Caprica. Just don't cheat on Hoshi, Gaeta. You do that and you and I might be through.

However, on Skiffy, there's a guy who seems like he's fairly reliable who says that the kiss we saw is not the big makeout scene. Which either means we're getting flashbacks from Hoshi, or a good reunion. If he's right, that is. I hope so!

[falafel-musings.livejournal.com]

Based on those first bloody shots, I think Gaeta is the sole survivor of the Raptor disaster. He looks all alone. Or maybe I'm just hoping for Stalker!Eights death so she doesn't make it into the main series. *evil cackle*

He's done everything he condemned Gaius Baltar of doing- slept with a Cylon during the Occupation, betrayed his people, and went for the drugs.

Hmn. I'm warming to this idea. Baltar/Gaeta in sin and despair together. Basically if Gaeta has other ships then I want them to be little more than devices in the Baltar/Gaeta ship. I'm still obsessively biased about my pairing.

I'm very curious about what Gaeta is writing too. It definitely looks like a list of names. A death list?! There is also a clip of Gaeta folding up a message to put into the garbage dumpster. It's definitely a New Caprica clip. Damn. Even though I hate this Felix/Eight thing I'm excited about returning to the New Caprica period.

Hoshi & Racetrack rescue team? Awesome!! Don't cheat on Hoshi pleeeease! I want a tearful romantic reunion at the end of this ordeal.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm thinking he looks alone, too. (And I agree- I'm hoping the Eights both die. I'm so not nice.) Seriously, though, this guy is gonna need some MAJOR counseling when he gets back. And I'll be interested as to how they work finding Felix in a bloody Raptor full of corpses into the show. Because you don't just say "Remember when we found Felix in the Raptor with all those bodies?"

I'm still obsessively biased about my pairing.

I have to agree, I'd be very annoyed if they made it clear that Gaeta was not ever in love with Baltar. What's the point of making him bi then????

It definitely looks like a list of names. A death list?!

That's definitely my first thought, too. The numbers after them could be the tent number they live in or something. I'm really wondering what Felix did on New Caprica, because the more I think about it, the more I'm sure it can't just be he slept with an Eight. And is it bad that I hope she screwed him over big time- big enough that he definitely doesn't want anything to do with her anymore?

As long as he and Hoshi end up back together, I am happy right now. Our boy needs to not end up in the frakking mental ward, okay?

(Hopefully this isn't all some morpha induced hallucination.)

[falafel-musings.livejournal.com]

I hope they aren't going to turn Gaeta into a Kendra Shaw type of character. I don't want to end up completely alienated from him. He's still the guy yelling against "murder!" to Zarek. He still has morals it seems.

I just heard the writers commentary version. Sadly I don't think Gaeta/Hoshi is going to be in the main show. Not because they won't allow it, but because it seems like it was an after-thought for this series. But saying it's good for what is going on in Season 4 gives me a little more hope for Baltar/Gaeta.

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

But the lady said ""in terms of storytelling for Season 4, this (Foshi) actually worked out better" so I'm thinking maybe they talked to the series writers and decided this pair works better and hopefully it will get a mention in the show (I am being uncharacteristically optimistic today...)

[falafel-musings.livejournal.com]

I hope there is a hint of Gaeta/Hoshi at least. Even if it's only more background cuddling. I definitely hope they give us a reunion at the end of these webisodes rather than ending it on the shot of bloodied frakked up Felix.

However on a positive note, I don't think Felix/Eight is going to make it into the main show either. I mean, I know AJ is saying Felix has a great arc in 4.5 but I still don't see him getting that much screentime. I think Felix's main storyline is going to be with Zarek and there is also going to be this intense Baltar/Gaeta scene. Those two things will probably cover all of Felix's 4.5 screentime and it's still loads more than what he usually gets in half a season.

I don't even think the Raptor of Death will be mentioned in the main show. It'd be to complicated to explain. Ditto the Eight story. Casual viewers who don't watch the webisodes will be confused and jarred. I think in 4.5 we'll see Felix with PTSD but he had that before the Raptor disaster.

I'm not gonna get too hung up about these webisodes, because they seem more like a virtual piece of fanfic than canon. I think their main connection to canon will be a) showing the tension and paranoia between human/cylons b) fleshing out Gaeta as a character since he is gonna play a bigger role in 4.5. But I don't think a lot of the details of this story are going to be relevant to 4.5.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

You know what's starting to bug me about the Eights, and hopefully the ending of this relationship will clear up?

We have Boomer. Good Boomer, who doesn't want to kill humans. We have Athena, good Athena, who doesn't want to kill humans. Um, the 8s participated in the genocide of humanity, just like the 1-6's. Can we see some of that in them, please?

I'm wondering if what happened was that the Eight used Felix to get info that they needed early on, and Felix found out or something.

I've been wondering how they're going to fit the Raptor of Death in, too. It can't be Felix killing those people- too big a reveal. A Cylon killing them (unless it's Pilot8 and Stalker8 gives her life to stop her) creates a big problem in Fleet Unity and should have been in the show (although maybe it IS.) Even if one of the three human redshirts does it... this is gonna mess Felix up pretty badly. Unless the whole killing aspect is a morpha hallucination. :P

I'm hoping I can just gleefully ignore the 8s afterwards. I'm done my NC writing, so it's possible.

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

I just heard the writers commentary version.
The WHAT?!

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea8RkiZPGI4&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=6569262&moduleid=241&preview=&auth_token=sessionless:1229137200:embedcontent

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I had no idea!

Interesting about it being Gaeta/Narcho at some point. Yeah, it sounds like the pairing itself was an afterthought and probably won't make it into the show. But then that season four storytelling comment... I don't know what to think!

(Random: I love your icon. I just realized where it was from.)

[tin-o-biscuits.livejournal.com]

No problem. :)

Yeah, I hate all this, like, indirect speaking, I guess it is. I want some frakking answers. Rrr.

(Teehee, thanks! Mr. Pilkington is just so awesome. XD)

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

Immediate reaction: it was GAH TOO SHORT.

Where did you get those one-sentence descriptions? Interesting. 9 and 10 will be fabulous, methinks. And I'm almost sure that poor Gaeta will be the only one who lives. :(

I'm wondering if he's writing it on New Caprica.
Yeah, knowing from TVG that New Caprica comes up again in these, that was my first thought. I always felt like even with his spy heroics, he couldn't have been that deep in Colonial One without carrying some guilt, if not over the List than something like it. My other theory was that it involves the information he was leaking. If there was a time when he really was bonding with this Eight and sympathetic to the occupation, it's got to be hard to go from that to bombing police officers and stuff.

OMG POSSIBILITY #4 DON'T EVEN. D: He can't be getting THAT little sleep!

And I'm sure he wouldn't turn Cylon via webisode. I'm leaning toward something like #1.

(See, I'm sort of thinking that by the end, the Eight is gonna have to kill herself to save him, or he's gonna have to kill her, or something like that.)

I like that Hoshi is back in a later webisode and involved in the rescue mission -- that makes me think the ending will definitely have the two of them reunited, but Gaeta will be all fucked up from the experience and not allowed to be happy again.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Where did you get those one-sentence descriptions? Someone put the webisodes (pirated, I assume) up on Hulu. They were removed, of course, but the descriptions remained.

I always felt like even with his spy heroics, he couldn't have been that deep in Colonial One without carrying some guilt, if not over the List than something like it

Yeah. I'm really wondering how this comes up. He couldn't have been spotless. I'm still hoping his relationship with the 8 is a lot more complicated than they're making it sound, though.

See, I'm sort of thinking that by the end, the Eight is gonna have to kill herself to save him, or he's gonna have to kill her, or something like that.

Yeah, I'm thinking that, too. I don't think she's going to be alive at the end.

I like that Hoshi is back in a later webisode and involved in the rescue mission -- that makes me think the ending will definitely have the two of them reunited, but Gaeta will be all fucked up from the experience and not allowed to be happy again.

Rumor on the Skiffy board looks like the big make-out kiss hasn't actually happened yet. I'd bet that's because it's in episode 10, which makes sense. Put your alienating stuff at the end, not the beginning ;) I really, really, really hope they're reunited and that portion ends on a happy note, because I don't think Gaeta's getting much other happiness.

My husband's been teasing me for watching the webisode over and over, especially the kiss. I tried to explain that I'm not sure how many more times we'll actually get to see Gaeta smile again.

[anonymousblu.livejournal.com]

I think that's the flight suit Eight cutting her hand: slender fingers, tight flight suit at the wrists. Gaeta's uniform always looks baggy around his wrists...