More Commentary on Spoiler Validity

[lls_mutant]

Warning: I DO discuss the content of the spoilers.



Yeah, you know what? Aside from my "coping with Lupin/Tonks" therapy here (and I think I pissed off a R/T shipper at FAP, who promptly responded to my "why I don't care for Lupin/Tonks" post with "why Remus and Sirius don't make a good couple." All the same arguments, although I really respect her honestly on preferring Lupin/Tonks.), I've just decided that spoilers are all crap.

ignipes, stop laughing at me and saying I told you so. I know you are.

Yeah. I've known it anyway. Well, I don't KNOW it. I do think some of these spoilers could be right. But as I said in my last spoiler post? I think some of them could be gotten to by good guesswork. Except for Bill the Werewolf (which I've now seen a conflicting spoiler on) and Draco joining the DA and being kidnapped (but I don't read much about Draco), I haven't seen a single spoiler that hasn't been a fan speculation.

Dumbledore dying. Krum being the DADA prof. Bill and Fleur getting married. Ron/Hermione. NO Ron/Hermione. Harry/Ginny. NO Harry/Ginny. Harry getting involved in the Dark Arts. Seamus the Half-Blood Prince. Snape the Half-Blood Prince.

Every single one of those has been a "spoiler", and how many of them

1.) contradict

or

2.) have been seen in countless places as theories?

Sure, I'm preaching to the choir. But I'm also reviewing a particularly boring paper and needing to feel like life has some meaning, because lipases SUCK.

So without further ado, a Lissa "spoiler" for every paragraph I read and comment on. (Yes, the paper sucks that badly. And no, I have absolutely NO access to the books.)

1.) Amos Diggory will be the new Minister of Magic. I'm very fond of this theory, because I think he'd be a Crouch-type. Not too helpful, but not too hindering either. Actually, he kind of reminds me of Bush, but let's not go there, shall we?

2.) The silver hand of Peter Pettigrew's cannot Transfigure. Therefore, Peter cannot Transfigure into a rat. The loss of his Animagus form keeps him even more tightly bound to Voldemort. (I'm very proud of that theory, by the way.)

3.) The popular concensous among the spoilers is that the DADA prof is not a new character for once. (I still like my Mr. Lupin, Sr. theory, but I've always admitted that was a long-shot.) But I like Bill Weasley. I think he'd make a good DADA prof. After all, he's a curse-breaker, member of the Order, and former Head Boy. And as a newlywed (because I still like the Bill-Fleur wedding as the reason for Harry to leave Privet Drive), he doesn't really want to travel much.

4.) We will see TONS of history (relatively speaking) in this book, including much Founder-age. It's about time. (Oh, thank God. I'm almost done this wretched paper.)

5.) Ron's friendship with Harry is one of the pivotal defining characteristics about him, and will have the potential to come between Harry and Mrs. Weasley, because Ron is willing to take risks for Harry that Mrs. Weasley doesn't want him to take.

6.) Screw shipping. There will be no shipping in this book. Well, all right. There will be some. But not nearly as much as fandom likes to believe.

Ah, screw it all. It's almost 7:00. I'm done reading this. I'm going home.

Comments

[magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com]

I saw that post on 10 things I can't stand thread and just thought that I simply do not have the energy to argue. It wasn't the time or the place.

Ooh, Bill as DADA. I like that one. That could be quite interesting. I still fancy Amelia Bones for Minister as I see her as an ex Hufflepuff and I want some Hufflepuff pride restored :D

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's not the place to argue it at all. I just thought it was kind of entertaining- and exactly why I've refrained from posting my anti-Lupin/Tonks sentiments there for so long.

Besides, as much as I don't LIKE Lupin/Tonks, it's certainly more plausible canonically than Snarry, H/D, or any number of the other ships out there.

I like the idea of Amelia Bones to be the Minister of Magic after the war is over and MoM2 is killed (because I think they will be). But yeah- I'd like to see more Hufflepuff pride, too :)

[magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com]

I don't mind the idea of Remus/Tonks. I can read it if someone recs it but I just wouldn't go out of my way to read as I can't feel a chemistry. But that's just one of my quirks.

Hufflepuff bashing is one of the things I don't understand. OK they're never going to be as flashy as the other houses, but I sure wouldn't want to piss one of the off as I'd piss the whole bloody house. That sticking together has a lot going for it.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

You know, as I return to reality (which is what I'm trying to do this week), I don't mind the idea of Remus/Tonks in canon, because it probably won't be a huge soppy deal. But I HATE it in fanfic, because I hate some of the rationales. If you want to say Tonks might be compassionate to Remus and work to understand how his life is and how he feels, I'm all about that. I mean, my mom and dad certainly had that going on when he had cancer. But when people say she might understand him because she's a Metaphor-youknow, that's BULL. There's no sign whatsoever that Tonks is the subject of any discrimination. (Quite the reverse, actually.) But Tonks/Remus in canon isn't going to get me to blow my top at this point.

And that's a really, really good point about Hufflepuff :)

[magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com]

I once read a meta essay where they analysed how each House would exclude someone. I didn't bookmark it at the time otherwise I'd link. relying on my faulty memory, Gryffindor were very much united we stand, divided we fall and everyone for themself. If you did something outrageously stupid, you were basically an outcast until you did something public to make it up. This was easier if you were oneof the popular kids and had ways and means yo win a ton of points back ala winning a Quidditch match or whatever.

Slytherin was seen as a strong hierachy and where you stood in said hieachy would probably depend on who your family were, who your friends were and then how good you wee at certain things. But no matter what, you didn't air your dirty washing in public. No matter what the internal politics were, you put on a united front.

Ravenclaws are more independant. You had your cliques and it doesn't seem to be the pressure of keeping up the Ravenclaw name. They seem happy in their own skins.

Hufflepuffs are run on a very egilatrian manner. It's all about playingthe game and not so much about the glory. They're steady and they stick together, so that is why it's a good idea to have a few Hufflepuffs on your side. Once you have a few, you stand a chgance of winning a vast majority of them over.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

That's really, really interesting. If you ever happen to remember where that is, please tell me, because that's a lot of interesting things to think about. I like that!

Thanks :)

[ignipes.livejournal.com]

I'm not laughing.

*snicker*

I hope #6 is the truest of true spoilers ever. I never used to mind shippers and their, um, earnestness, but with the build-up to HBP they're all starting to annoy me. If I just want to knock people's heads together to make them shut up, does that mean I'm getting old?

But I do hope the Defence professor is someone knew, just because I like new characters.

because lipases SUCK

That sounds vaguely dirty, largely because I don't know what it means.

[ignipes.livejournal.com]

And, yeah, I meant 'someone new'. Which is totally different from 'someone knew'. Or 'someone gnu', for that matter.

*wanders away, looking dazed*

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

If you're getting old, so am I. That's actually the biggest reason I'm actually worried about Tonks/Lupin. But maybe I'll just stay away from FAP for a while.

New characters are cool, but I'm a fan of Bill Weasley, so I wouldn't mind seeing more of him on the page. (Of course, a returning Remus would be nice, too. But utterly unbelievable.)

[ignipes.livejournal.com]

Definitely staying away from FAP for a while. I rarely visit there anymore, but I imagine it will be just terrifying when everybody has new material to chew on. Sure, people will be doing it on LJ, too, but on LJ it's easier to have a discussion without all the scary fangirls. (Because the scary fangirls have no interest in my journal, or any of my friends journals, thank goodness.)

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

There's still some people on FAP I really like that haven't found my journal yet, or that may not because I do have such an R/S slant in my journal right now. But I agree- it is much easier to have a decent discussion on a LJ. Aside from avoiding many scary fangirls, it's usually a smaller group, and you can have a one-on-one discussion, which is hard to do on the Park. (Which I appreciate. When you have THAT many members, topics, and threads, you have to have some ground rules. Especially since I have seen what can happen on other boards. But it does make one-on-one discussion hard, especially since owls only carry a limited message size.)

But yeah. I'll probably wait a day or two to let it all filter through my head, first, and see what I'm interested in discussing, and then see where I want to venture in the Park. Especially since Draco-lurve really annoys me, and if any of the spoilers are true, there might be an alarming amount of it....

[topaz-eyes.livejournal.com]

Sure, I'm preaching to the choir. But I'm also reviewing a particularly boring paper and needing to feel like life has some meaning, because lipases SUCK.

Hey, it's not the lipase's fault that all it can do is chew the fat *g* (pets the pretty lipase)

Ahem. Sorry. I just have a soft spot for enzymes. (oh lord stop me now)

You know, I hope all your theories are right because they are just. so. believable. Much more than any of the other spoilers out there.

(Spoilers. Enzymes. Spoil. OK, I'll leave now. :-) )

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Hehe. I'm glad someone knows exactly what lipases are. I burn things. That's my specialty.

Thanks :) I have fun with the theories. Fortunately though, I'm not too attached to any of them.... (except number 6. I just really don't care much about the ships. Especially kidlet ships.)

[topaz-eyes.livejournal.com]

Yep. I think I'll be avoiding the SCUSA threads on FAP for a while until the wars calm down...

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yeah. You know what actually bothers me about Lupin/Tonks, more than anything? I don't want to hear the words "I told you so..." :)

[topaz-eyes.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that'll be the worst. I'm not really averse to it--as het canon ships go it's the most plausible for Remus--but it'll still be annoying to hear the general squees if it sails from canon plausibility to canon reality...Meh.

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the squees will bother me too. You're right about it being the most plausible het canon ship for Remus, but I don't think it's a -cute- ship, even if I will concede plausibility. And the squeeing nauseates me.

I did wander over to Wotcher Wolvie in FAP, and even if I ever got into this ship, and I probably could, in a wierd sort of way, especially if it was transition, I could NOT get into the fandom there. I just can't see them all domestic and cozy and Weasley-like. At all.

Ah well! Just a few days before we know!

[nassima.livejournal.com]

hum... You might want to add a spoiler warning before the LJ cut... Now I'm desperatly hoping like you that the two first spoilers you mentioned are false, but nonetheless I'd have preferred not to hear about them before reading the books.

(and I'm trying to tape this without reading the remaining part of the post just up here!)

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Oops- I'm sorry. I figured with the subject heading, it was pretty clear the post was about spoilers, especially since I did cut it. If it helps at all, I have some really good reasons to suspect that the original poster was full of it, and they're not real spoilers. (Good reasons do NOT come from conflicting spoilers, but from the original poster's post.)

Anyway, I'll change it so it's clear. Sorry about that!

[nassima.livejournal.com]

Don't worry, that wasn't such a catastrophe! Whith what I read, I still can believe these weren't true, and just ignore the way the R/S part of the fandom seems to get mad today ;)

And anyway, these "spoilers" aren't that important for the main story line, are they? Now give me (oh no don't!) something about Snape's past, or if the Wizarding World finally understands about Voldemort resurrection, and what they do about it! Tell me (oh no don't!) about how this book ends, if there's a temporary victory for Voldemort, or a bittersweet and partial one for Harry. Reveal me (oh no don't) what was the great surprise that made Harry go out of the Dursley's at the beginning! And if we know more about how Voldemort can die! Tell me (or not?) how the broken mirror comes back into the story, and if (oh please of please tell me oh no don't!) if Sirius comes back with it!

Well, I think I'll wait for two days, finally. Not that hard :D

[lls-mutant.livejournal.com]

Ugh. My reply just got eaten.

Yeah, you are right about the "spoilers" not being important. In fact, that's what makes me the most doubtful about the validity. Those questions you want answered? Didn't see a spoiler about any of them except one, and it's such a popular theory anyway it's hard to tell if it's a true spoiler or just good guesswork. In fact, aside from shipping "spoilers" (none of which agree, incidentally), there are no spoilers that I could find about Harry himself. Suspicious? I think so.

But yeah. None of my big questions have been spoiled. I want to know where Pettigrew is, and if he can still turn into a rat with that silver hand (my theory is it's unTransfigurable). Who's the new DADA prof, and are they any good? Will the DA continue? If it does, will it have a faculty advisor, or will Harry continue to lead it? What does Remus do for the Order, and is he a freaking Legilimens? Will he and Harry connect? (Preferably by having a blow-out fight for a change, and then eventually Harry apologizing first and forming a "new" relationship based on their lives as individuals, instead of who they were in relation to James?) Who are the new Quidditch players, and who's the new captain? What did Harry get on his O.W.L.s? Is Ron a Seer (if he's not looking into a crystal ball, that is?) Will we see lots of stuff about the Founders? Not a single spoiler about most of these, and I'd think these (along with Voldemort, who I actually have less interest in) are MUCH more important than who kisses who. :P

So I think there's DEFINITELY reasons to doubt all this. Not to mention the source could supposedly remember obviously minor details (even if Tonks/Lupin were to be true, it would not be major) and supposedly couldn't remember the name of Harry's love interest. Uh-huh. Someone's lying somewhere there.